That last paragraph is this whole f'd up mess in a nutshell.
Time to re-file your patents and trademarks, Britain
Businesses will likely need to re-file their patents and trademarks in the UK following the Brexit vote, leading intellectual property lawyers have warned. The decision to leave the European Union puts a big question mark over "automatic EU-wide IP protection," says patent law specialist Iain Connor of Pinsent Masons, writing …
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Saturday 25th June 2016 14:00 GMT sabroni
re: also the ideal solution.
" if the UK wants to ensure that it is not at a disadvantage in the global marketplace, it would likely need to adopt European rules wholesale, while not being in a position to influence their development."
That's an ideal solution to what, precisely? Having some influence?
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Sunday 26th June 2016 00:37 GMT Pat Att
Do you mean the UPC? That will be (or would have been) German, French and English judges mainly, with the option of having local judges. If you do mean the EPC (European Patent Convention) then that is unchanged with Brexit, where only local judges are involved. UK patent judges are very switched on, and techically savvy.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 20:40 GMT keithpeter
@YetAnotherLocksmith and all
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Pissing in the wind, but l'd love to see this hit 10 million if it can just to cause Boris a little more discomfort. His face was a picture when he realised that he was holding the bag.
Back on topic: what did people do before EU wide patents? File in all the most important markets?
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Sunday 26th June 2016 20:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
> Back on topic: what did people do before EU wide patents? File in all the most important markets?
From what I recall (admittedly from quite a few years ago) in the company I worked for the rule was to apply in US, UK and Taiwan and then possibly consider other jursdictions and the "EU patent" which was being promoted at the time was not really worthwhile.
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Friday 24th June 2016 22:50 GMT raving angry loony
Re: And so it starts.
I have no idea if your statement is true or not, but why would it be a surprise if it was?
There was a warning prior to Brexit that the Calais border agreement would be jeopardized should the UK vote to leave. The arrangement, where the French allow British police to operate on French soil, is based on the UK being part of the EU. Since the UK will be leaving, it makes sense that all those refugee claimants be moved to the UK side. Not France's problem any more, why would they let a quitter operate on their territory?
Unless there are treaties in place, countries are generally not responsible for people leaving their country, only for controlling who gets in. Let the UK deal with its own refugee claimants on its own soil, since that seems to have been one of the reasons they voted to leave the EU in the first place.
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Friday 24th June 2016 23:56 GMT The Nazz
Re: And so it starts.
Easiest of responses to France.
Apply the law, international standards :
Return those would be illegal immigrants to the last safe country they passed through ie France. By air if necessary, parachutes on request.
It is perfectly clear from the results what the one overriding issue is.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 08:58 GMT raving angry loony
Re: And so it starts.
Except the aren't "illegal immigrants". They're "refugees" (technically: asylum seekers). They therefore fall under the United Nations 1951 Convention & 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees, where refoulement is specifically forbidden. Admittedly you wouldn't be the first to ignore that clause, but just thought I should point out that your attitude is contrary to the very laws you claim to be using to support your xenophobia.
Meanwhile, the overriding issue seems to be a growing sense of xenophobia, ignorance, and fear in the UK which has been used by certain self-serving politicians to drive this particular issue. Good luck with that.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 09:43 GMT Phil O'Sophical
Re: And so it starts.
Except that "refoulement" in that sense refers to returning them to their country of origin, which generally isn't France. If the French applied international law, and abided by the Dublin agreement, they would require those asylum seekers to request asylum in France.
Once the migrants/asylum seekers are in Europe, EU or otherwise, it's too late to deal with the problem anyway. The only real solution is to prevent them from leaving their own country, preferably by stopping that country from being a war zone. Encouraging them to run away from the problem and export it to Europe doesn't help.
That solution, of course, is independent of the EU, and of UK membership of the EU, which is why the whole migrant issue is a red herring as far as Brexit was concerned.
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Sunday 26th June 2016 15:08 GMT YARR
After we leave the EU and have a points based system, the category of migrants in the Calais camp will be automatically refused entry, and will have to return to their own country to find work. The burden of our dysfunctional ultra-liberal border policy will be gone and the rest of Europe will probably demand the same system.
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Sunday 26th June 2016 18:06 GMT Eponymous Cowherd
They are illegals you pillock. They aren't going to present themselves to immigration officers and ask to be let in.
At the moment trucks, cars, etc are searched on the French side of the channel. Catching an illegal on a truck on which he has to stay if he wants to get to the UK is a lot more effective than trying to catch them once they are this side of the channel and merely have to scarper as soon as the truck doors open.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 06:54 GMT Disgusted of Cheltenham
Re: And so it starts.
No, there was a threat about Calais, until someone checked and found it was a bilateral and not EU agreement, similar to the position on the border between US and Canada.
Just because we can now do stupid things doesn't mean that we will stop seasonal workers or make it harder for tourists. Our current mess is partly because of the refusal by the head of the civil service to allow it to consider plan B on the grounds that it wasn't government policy - ignoring the point that the government had, for better or worse, pushed this one over to the people. Of course we now hear that the Bank of England and Treasury have been working on it. But the last budget should have had in and out options.
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Sunday 26th June 2016 20:49 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: And so it starts.
"It's not true. The Mayor of Calais is at it again, asking for the border to be moved back."
... and the French President has issued a statement to say its a bilateral agreement and not affected by any EU decision. In addition, last week the French found the arrangement quite useful last week to stop the "aid convoy" in Dover.
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Monday 27th June 2016 11:28 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: And so it starts.
"Apparently France want to have us maintaining our own channel tunnel border now - what a surprise"
That border crossing in France is an agreement between France and UK and it's manned by UK staff. It is not an EU organized thing. So the only thing beginning here is the bullshit from the sky-falling crowd.
European Patent office has long been a rogue element. Do you recall how they tried to change the law to support software patents, by applying caselaw from the European Patent Court (i.e. themselves) to re-interpret the treaty they exist under? There was zero input from ANY state into that too, that office has some serious issues.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 09:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
Seems unlikely that NI would vote to leave the UK, since the Brexit leave vote was unsurprisingly strongest in the pro-union heartlands, and the remain vote strongest in the border counties. That closely matches the results of previous independence polls (with the notable exception of N. Down)
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Sunday 26th June 2016 21:10 GMT MR J
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
It might seem unlikely that NI would want to leave the UK, but now that the UK is out of the EU then they may well decide to go that path.
The truth here is that no one will know what will happen until it happens.
I love the talk tho, we are going to open up a "points" system so we can bring in people to pick the fruit and do other jobs that the UK people don't want to do. It's funny because a lot of the migration that was taking place was people moving to do this exact thing - without points!.
Let us see just what happens over this next week. There will be a lot of economic shock taking place, things that will take a lifetime to recover from.
At least Dyson is happy, probably because the first thing he'll push for is the UK Gov to remove the ban of 1.6kw vacs and get rid of that performance sticker (it is flawed, but it shouldn't be gone - just fixed!).
My guess is that patents and trademarks will be a no-issue thing as it should be easy to add in legislation that will define specific dates for things as counting. Passed in EU in 2015, valid in UK, Passed in EU in EU in 2017, not valid for UK (go file).
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Saturday 25th June 2016 10:38 GMT CowardlyLion
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
Except that Great Britain is the name of the island that comprises England, Scotland and Wales.
So, if Scotland leaves we can't call what's left the UK (the union of the the kingdoms of Scotland and England) nor Great Britain, because we only have half the island.
Not that only having part of the continent stops the USA referring to themselves as "America".
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Monday 27th June 2016 16:47 GMT Eddy Ito
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
Not that only having part of the continent stops the USA referring to themselves as "America".
Huh, everyone I know here says "U.S." or "us". It's largely only the recent immigrants, folks across one pond or the other, songwriters, and political hacks that say "America" as far as I can tell. Most of us are far too lazy to use all those syllables.
But if you're looking for a new name I actually think "Brex" is both short and catchy.
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Saturday 25th June 2016 05:41 GMT PNGuinn
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
The UK is the United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland. If Kiltland want to leave it still remains the UK.
It's THEM as 'll have to think up a new name for 'emselves.
Faced with the prospect of the "best" thing in Scotland - the road to England - ie the border being sealed / controlled - and if they go for SCENTRY (you read it here first, folks) it'll have to be - I wonder how many Scots will do to their glorious nationalist leader what the UK as a whole has just done to Davey Mc2face??
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Saturday 25th June 2016 07:30 GMT Rich 11
Re: 'EU' -> 'UK' -> 'K'
The UK is the United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland. If Kiltland want to leave it still remains the UK.
Completely wrong. The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The 'United' refers to the Union of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland in 1707. If Scotland leaves, we've got to find another excuse if we want to keep 'United' in the country's name.
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