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UCLA shooter: I killed my prof over code theft

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Of course easy access to guns in no way made this tragedy more likely :(

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Nonsense. UC's are gun-free zones.

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Doctoral students routinely have their code,data,or ideas stolen. It is a feature of the educational system. Dr's are promoted,protected,tenured by what new ideas they produce and the temptation to steal from from a student is very large, I'm not saying he did, but I'm not saying he didn't. If he did then there are probably more people who have a beef with him.

The code may have been trivial, who knows? Like you know, Flash.

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Stolen code?

I doubt if any 'new' code has been written in the last thirty years. Old code for a new context perhaps but new code ... nope.

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You're right that it's a feature and not a bug. When you go to university you go there to collaborate and learn, and if through that learning a great new product arises, then it's the property of the university, not the student. Where did he get all those "great ideas?" from the fucking class work, you idiot. Some delusional asshole with a gun does not sound like a bright, young student with great ideas on the way. It's just another mentally ill asshole who, surprise, is somehow able to get armed and shoot at people. Guns are for assholes, just like this guy. I tell every toddler I meet that if they ever get their hands on a gun to shoot the people who gave it to them, especially their parents. I love that! So, make excuses for guns being necessary all you like, but they are not necessary. The military and the police should have them, and the general public should be kept from them until they can show they're not assholes too. Sounds like a long fucking wait. Good. People who love guns are just fucking morons. Pick up a book and do something constructive with your fucking life, assholes! I've been in the US Army and shot every fucking weapon there is. You know what one I keep now? NONE. Guns are not tools. The people who love them are. I shit on your guns, you fucknuts!

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When you go to university you go there to collaborate and learn, and if through that learning a great new product arises, then it's the property of the university, not the student.

Using your logic Facebook should belong to Harvard and Google should be owned by Stanford. At what point would you say your ideas are actually yours and not the property of your school? Is the rest of your rant actually yours or is it simply parroting some professor from the ivory tower you attended? Perhaps Walter L. Scott and a few students attending Kent State back in 1970 might disagree about allowing police and military to have guns.

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Headmaster

Re: Stolen code?

I doubt if any 'new' code has been written in the last thirty years

To sharpen this odd statement, this sounds like the thesis "no new algorithms in 30 years".

I call utter bullshit. Then I say, "Go back to your Excel sheet. Or better a library and learn something!"

Turbo codes are the first to come to mind. That took 1 second.

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Of course mental illness in no way made this tragedy more likely :(

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Of course!

Its so simple, if there are no guns no one can kill anybody... why no one ever thought of that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/30/oklahoma-beheading/16482769/

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Re: Of course!

Yes, but a weedy teenager can't easily behead twenty people with a knife but can easily kill them with a gun. It's not that murders don't happen but they are unfortunately more effective with a gun.

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What a great rant. Reminds me of the Navy Seal copypasta:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta

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Reminds me of the Navy Seal copypasta:

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

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Holmes

Re: Of course! - Pick your Poison

"weedy teenager can't easily behead twenty people"

He could poison them, send them a nicely powdered letter, run them down in a big fucking truck or a bus. He could strap some homemade explosive to his ass... It's early, I could come up with other ways to kill lots of people "without" a gun, but I need my cuppa. Let me get back to you.

I guess using a gun is just as expedient as stealing code? Both quick and easy, no?

And I have to think that every programmer and code monkey here would recognize their code when they see it?

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Nonsense. UC's are gun-free zones.

Right. And murder-suicide plotters really worry about that. The point, as if you didn't get it, is that you only have to wander off campus to trip over firearms.

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His wife was a possiblw code thief too then, by extension?

Not saying she was, not saying she wasn't

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Well I assume in this case the student was working on code for his PhD under guidance of his Prof and being paid for by whoever created the PhD place. The work is therefore owned by the University/Whoever paid for the PhD. It doesn't matter if it was the student's original ideas, on related work, or stuff he was set by his Prof. Only if the code was wholly unrelated to his PhD is there a grey line as to who owns it.

Facebook was created in Zuckerbergs spare time and not as part of a research project. The work I do for my company is rightfully owned by the company, not me.

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

The problem I have with your argument is that in all the examples you give a tool is being mis-used to do someone harm, and also it needs a much closer and physical approach to achieve that harm, which then entails the risk of losing a physical fight.

A Gun is the only object in your list that is expressly designed to do another person harm whilst still staying at a safe distance yourself, thus making it a lot easier to harm someone else without entailing any personal risk.

If someone had to use one of the alternative methods you list, then a lot of potentials killers would think twice and back off.

That's the real problem with guns, it makes it too easy for a coward to intimidate or kill someone that they won't take on face to face.

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

See the absurdity in it all? So don't blame the availability of guns any more than the availability of toilet paper. ANYTHING can be used to kill someone if you're creative & desperate enough. It doesn't have to be a gun, it can be a stick of GUM for all it matters.

Blah blah blah.

The absurd point that you seem to be missing is that whilst yes, you can kill someone with a piece of cutlery/stick/vegetable/item of clothing given time, perseverance and a lack of retaliation from the victim, the time taken to do so is significant. You claim that you could go on a killing spree with a truncheon? I'd guarantee that if you walked into a room of 10 people with a truncheon and tried to club them all to death, you'd probably be overpowered by the time you'd knocked the first person unconscious. Either that, or everyone else would run out of range. If you had a gun then you'd either have killed the first few before anyone realised what was happening, or you could shoot the runners in the back. If you'd have tried the same stunt armed with a bag of vegetables, you've more chance of the victims dying from laughing. Not sure that throwing a couple of potatoes at peoples backs is really going to do them much harm.

However much fans of the US want to argue that guns aren't dangerous, they do make it much easier to to lots of harm to lots of people than not having them readily available,.

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

An attacker *could* kill someone with shoelaces - but it's not the main use of shoelaces & it's an awful lot more difficult to kill lots of people with shoelaces without one of the intended victims defeating the attacker due to close proximity needed.

Whereas the gun allows at a distance killing, far less risk of attacker being hurt

The sole purpose of a gun is to fire a projectile very fast, said projectile able to cause lots of damage to what it hits.

For me, shoelaces being banned would be a pain, as would render all my footwear impossible to wear, no guns would not be an issue (I'm in UK, where the huge majority of the population manage quite happily without guns, yes we still have murders as if someone is of that mindset then they will try & find a way, but a lot lower murder rate then the US with it's large gun ownership as "easy, at a distance" murder harder in the UK)

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Re: Stolen code?

"I doubt if any 'new' code has been written in the last thirty years."

What? How can you even think this? It's ridiculous.

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

You know, historically, we've had wars where one side had guns and the other side had weapons quite a bit more deadly than the ones you listed... guess which side won

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

We outlawed handguns in the UK (after a particularly nasty shooting in Scotland) and gun deaths are now very rare. So if the ownership of guns is not a factor is there something iffy with the American psyche......? (there is some evidence for this if you compare stats with Canada). However I suspect its a combination of the 2.

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Re: @Paul Crawford re: guns.

Wait 'til you see what the nutters do with drones. Admit it you know it's only a matter of time.

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Who piddled in your Post Toasties?

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@ scarletherring

Re: Nonsense. UC's are gun-free zones.

Right. And murder-suicide plotters really worry about that. The point, as if you didn't get it, is that you only have to wander off campus to trip over firearms.

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No, the point is that in a gun-free zone a mass-shooter can run wild without anyone firing back in defence.

However, if non-lethal weapons such as tasers were widely available in gun-free zones, a brave person might stand a chance of disabling a shooter.

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Thanks for the lightness, g e. This is heavy material.

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You've all missed the plot. Today it's a pistol or two which was sneaked on campus but tomorrow it's a drone that can seek out an individual or group and set off a substantial explosive (perhaps directional) killing one or many. Yes, today you may feel the enemy is the "gun/pistol" which is today's tool but tomorrow you'll blame a different tool and I'm fairly confident it's going to be small airborne vehicles that can be launched from the parking lot and the perpetrator can remain largely anonymous. Ted Kaczynski would have loved the future.

Not anonymous because I'm not unstable and I've been counted on table 15.

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"Preventing the use of fire arms for self protection leads only to a weak nation."

Oh yeah! Those nations where people keep an AK47 under this bed are generally weaker nations than, for example, EU nations.

Was that your point? He he

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Re: @Shadow Systems

Oh FFS, please provide the murder statistics of the various alternatives to guns you suggest. Sure probably EVERYTHING has at some point in time been used as a weapon, but just look at the annual death statistics due to guns in the USA both intended (as here) and accidental.

Now do the same for any other country with any semblance of working government.

Edited: Here is a list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

OK the USA is not the worst, but please, compared to the rest of the "west" (Canada and EU region) and the "east" (Japan, South Korea, etc) we are looking at a x10 or more ratio.

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Lethal Potato

I'd see that movie.

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Re: Of course!

Self-defense against murderers is also more effective when you have a gun.

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Zuckerberg et al.

The current Facebook engine is the product of 57 acquisitions to date by Zuckerberg, either incorporating their ideas and code (and coders), or just taking competition off the market. It's hardly a product of Zuckerberg's "spare" or work time.

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Not more likely, or less

The wife could have been killed by any means, and when it comes to murder & suicide, as this case was, the perp need not use a gun that operates safely from a distance. Any explosive device will do. Re devices: The Boston Marathon bombers' use of fireworks innards and pressure containment chambers - i. e., commercial pressure cookers, did the job. And, when suicide's in the mix, one has a most intelligent and cunning, if insane, guided weapon system to insure reliability.

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Re: @ scarletherring

In a "gun-free zone", anyone wanting to go on a rampage in a school/college/cinema/shopping mall would generally have to find another (ultimately less effective) weapon instead of just going and opening their own/parents/friends gun cabinet.

However you'll also notice that in a gun-free zone, the chance of a parent being accidentally shot by their own child drops to zero (a couple of recent cases spring to mind, one in a supermarket and one whilst the mother was driving). As does the chance of a child accidentally killing themselves (another recent case where the child was at the grandparents house and found a loaded pistol). As also does the chance of someone accidentally shooting and injuring themselves (no citation needed, just search YouTube).

Gun issues aren't just a US-specific issue, however having access to firearms makes anyone more dangerous. Oscar Pistorus would be an example of this in a non-US context - the simple fact that there was a legally held gun in the house, along with a "shoot-first" train of thought had tragic consequences.

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So unbelievable.... THEY are getting desperate to disarm Americans and force Windows 10 upgrades.

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First...

First, they came for my guns, and I said nothing, then, they came for my datas...

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Re: First...

First they came for my datum (singular), then they came back for the rest of the data (plural)...

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I hope someone remembered to feed his kitten.

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Trollface

Could this set a precedent?

I wonder how many high-priced lawyers working for patent trolls are taking a look a this...? Pay us or else.....

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Correction needed

Way to go ElReg, with that image caption:

> "PhD student Mainak Sarkar (left) and his professor William Klug"

Honest reporting would write it thus:

> "PhD student Mainak Sarkar (left) and his murder victim, professor William Klug"

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Headmaster

Re: Correction needed

If you want to take the politicially correct leftistextremely precise wording option, it's "ex-PhD ex-student" and "ex-professor".

Also apparently an accident of schizophrenia, this can happen.

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alleged murder victim

... he could have been oswalded.

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Evil pussy

Sounds like the kitten did it.

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