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Labour asks for more concessions on the UK's Snoopers' Charter

Must remember to renew my VPN subscription...

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... for life.

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nVPN.net

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for life.

LarkHill is always for life. Albeit - a fairly short one as only the patient in room No V gets to wear the mask attached to this post.

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Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

That seems a bit rich, given that the whole snooper's charter has its roots back in Jack Straw's day as Home Secretary.

When it comes to Westminster, there's nothing to choose between any of them, just a bunch of lazy, over-paid, vain, incompetent, self obsessed, illiberal fuckwits.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

I agree with you that the current state is due to Labours initiation of these bills. I am also no fan of either Andy Burnham, Labour, or the current Conservative government. But... in this case, would you rather that Andy Burnham was simply saying nothing? Or would you rather he continue to make noise to try to address the huge gaps in consistency and detail in this draft bill?

I get your point that in your mind he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. But stories like this one at least give me the slight flicker of hope that this won't come to be law without some serious challenge from political opposition and other industry and private interested parties.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

"When it comes to Westminster, there's nothing to choose between any of them, just a bunch of lazy, over-paid, vain, incompetent, self obsessed, illiberal fuckwits."

You forget crooked, ignorant and self-serving. But otherwise spot on.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

If Corbyn isn't kicking up a fuss about this then he personally is fine with it and any opposition by Burnham is going to be half-hearted and just done to be seen to not wave it through.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

It is quite easy to suspect this is just Labour going through the motions to look good to the electorate and to get a bit of a kicking into the Tories with their slim majority.

Wasn't Burnham around when Jack Straw and Jacqui Smith were proposing pretty much the same thing? Not that it would be a surprise for him to change his opinions. He seems to get a new set of opinions and convictions based on each morning's newspaper headlines.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

"If Corbyn isn't kicking up a fuss about this then he personally is fine with it and " ... and should have it done to himself, with every single email, phone call, letter, bill, the lot all published

same with the rest of them .... after all, if it's ok for the people, then it's just fine for the people's elected representatives .....

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

There's only so much one can do...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10354/chris_leslie/nottingham_east

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publicwhip/member/41179#divisions

...My experience of this "right honorable gentleman" is he is a clueless twat when confronted by IT. So clueless in fact, that when he decided to ignore me over OpenRights issues, he simply stopped talking to me. His PR machine emails me every week.

I made the mistake of answering a (political) medical query.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

"If Corbyn isn't kicking up a fuss about this then he personally is fine with it"

It's Burnham's remit. He's Shadow Home Sec & it's a Home Sec bill. That said, I wonder if there's a big clue half way through the article. The NUJ objects. Got to listen to their masters in the unions.

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Re: Labour's "discomfort" over the Snoopers' Charter

Watch Yes minister, most of it still applies today.

The bulk of the government is run by Whitehall and subsidiaries.

These requirements will probably be coming from GCHQ etc, rather than whichever political party is involved.

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Referendum

With something this far-reaching and contentious, and with such an impact on privacy and security (not to mention expense once the ISPs have passed on their costs to the public) - this bill should be put to a public referendum.

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Which would have the Daily Mail et al demanding that it be used to monitor immigrants and dole scroungers and Muslims potential terrorists...

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No, hell no. As much as I abhor this Government there's such a thing as Voter Fatigue and with the Scottish IndyRef, General Election, Local/Mayoral elections and the EU Ref all within a short space of time and with this being such a low priority/visibility issue for the majority of the population who aren't as interested/invested in IT security and privacy issues as the like of us El Reg readers, turnout could well be fuck all enough to allow the bill to pass in whichever monstrous form Theresa May so chooses because terropaedogrants is planning attacks on house prices innit.

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that it be used to monitor immigrants and dole scroungers

No need to demand it be used, it will be used: The government has committed to providing these groups with internet access... :)

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No, its not negotiable. You can't vote away someone else privacy right, but everyone is free to opt in and hand their surfing data over to the Theresa's lot.

I notice a pattern where weak people will see a uniform and obey the person in it regardless of the dip shit idea they spout. I notice that seems to pervade the Home Secretaries office.

I can't tell the difference between Jacqui Smith and Theresa May. They both speak with someone else's voice, same talking points, same 'terrorists pedo criminals' scare tactic. I guess they're following someone in a uniform covered in shiny badges and medals. And somehow the combination of cotton and metal confuses them.

There's absolutely no reason we would remove checks and balances from a system simply because a man is in a uniform and weak thinkers confuse "uniform = good, no uniform = bad".

So the people NOT in uniform are bad, and need the police to check them, yet the people in uniform are all good and don't need to have their choice checks by anyone. Yet the uniform is removable. When they're not wearing the uniform do they suddenly become bad and need to be checked?

When a Chief Constable decides he wants to spy on his officers surfing history, how does Theresa handle the conflict. Both sides are in uniform! Which is the good guys?!

So the choices she's made, the don't stand the basic tests and they have to go. I'm sure there will be many men in fancy dress on TV telling us this surveillance is the right thing, but its not. Simply imagine them naked, sans uniform, looking at your private porn surfing, because that's what people do, and take off the uniform and they're just people, flaws and all.

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"As much as I abhor this Government there's such a thing as Voter Fatigue"

I used to live in N Ireland where there were local parliamentary elections and a referendum which IIRC was timed to fall fairly close to at least some of the others. The motto there is "vote early, voter often". Being dead was no impediment to voting.

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Was it just me or did the letter mostly say "Hey! Don't forget my special interest groups, but otherwise carry on."?

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Sunset clause

Claims that they have to rush it through because of the sunset clause are yet more lies - they could quite easily get it extended by a year or so; but that would give time for proper debate - which is not wanted.

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In other news

Bloody hell. HM Official Opposition in actually opposing things shock!

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For many years now every politician who becomes Home Secretary becomes an insane control freak, despite complaining about exactly the same things while in opposition.

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Sunset clause

Was added because it was wisely thought a review of this is necessary. Dont worry these laws aren't permanent we were told.... Yet they rush to renew them. Ok forever temporary, politians are killers of meaning in language just because white can be reasonably termed as black to the ignorant idiots.

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