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The European Space Agency's Sentinel 3-A satellite successfully launched yesterday from Russia's Plesetsk Cosmodrome, atop a Rockot converted intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) lifter. In what was almost a "blink and you'll miss it" moment, the Earth-watching satellite departed the launchpad at a considerable rate of …

  1. JimmyPage Silver badge
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    Impressive, but a sad reminder

    that the biggest challenge to space exploration is the earths' gravity.

    Is there any work on a space elevator ?

    <daydreaming>I wonder how trying to drop a 100km wire from orbit would work out ...

    alternatively a stupidly long slightly inclined (magnetic ?) runway to accelerate a capsule to escape velocity (a la Netwons cannonball orbiter).

    1. annodomini2
      Boffin

      Re: Impressive, but a sad reminder

      The wire needs to be at least 36,000km long and ideally 72,000km depending on what counterbalance can be applied.

  2. Scott Broukell
    Meh

    Eerm . . .

    Did somebody think to tell North Korea about the launch, you know, not so much out of courtesy, but so they don't get all whack-a-mole with the big shiny red buttons!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Eerm . . .

      Did somebody think to tell North Korea about the launch, ...

      Why? The Norks' contribution to LEO satellites are a couple of small, non-transmitting hulks, tumbling uselessly. Absent any space capability, Fat Boy Kim will be ignorant of the goings on deep in the less interesting parts of Russia until his flunkies read tomorrow's South Korean newspapers on his behalf.

  3. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

    Don't you need to clean up the whole launchpad afterwards

    Nasty stuff indeed. Poor wildlife.

    Pray these things won't be used in anger with active payloads.

    Good job though.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Don't you need to clean up the whole launchpad afterwards

      Trusting Wikipedia on this:

      Unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (not to be confused with symmetrical dimethylhydrazine, which is horribly used "to induce colon tumors in experimental animals") is toxic, a carcinogen and can explode in the presence of oxidisers. It can be absorbed through skin. UDMH released into the environment can react in air to form N-Nitrosodimethylamine which is extremely toxic, not biodegradable and can also be found in beer.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Don't you need to clean up the whole launchpad afterwards

        Pretty sure the greens are readying a nastygram to EU parliament about this and will demand the use of LOX/Kerosene or LOX/Hydrogen in-atmosphere only.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Don't you need to clean up the whole launchpad afterwards

          Also reminds me of an incident in a US missile silo (apparently known to be haunted) where the maintenance crew managed to puncture the hydrazine tank of a Titan II, leading to ... problems. Nicely described in "Command and Control", among other cases. Recommended read!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Don't you need to clean up the whole launchpad afterwards

      I expect the efflux from the rockets will be the least of our problems.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is this the sentinel...

    ...that comes with the 'correction' software to 'prove' the sea levels are rising faster and faster?

    1. Don Dumb
      Facepalm

      Re: Is this the sentinel...

      @ac - "Is this the sentinel that comes with the 'correction' software to 'prove' the sea levels are rising faster and faster?"

      You seem to be one of those people that have your own 'correction' software running. Yours is buggy.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Is this the sentinel...

      Don't blame the techies. I'm sure the science package will collect the data with the highest accuracy possible. The political corrections will occur after that data is downlinked.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    oh well that's an extra 300Gb a day of data were going to be getting from this thing in a few months

  6. heyrick Silver badge

    I watched the webcast

    Well, being used to watching the Shuttle crawling into space, it was quite a surprise to watch this tear into space. Okay, it was a much smaller payload than a Shuttle, but still, damn.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I watched the webcast

      These things are meant to deliver hot pizza to the end consumer in 15 minutes.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I watched the webcast

      If it's pushing that hard at the start, what's the g-load when most of the fuel is gone?

  7. Dan Wilkie

    How did they take those pictures of the satellite deploying?? :o

    1. marioaieie
      Alien

      You've forgot the icon.

      Here --->

  8. kmac499

    Rockot GTi

    That thing left the pad like a flea of a rabbit. Presumably showing it's ICBM ancestry, don't hang around when there's incoming about to incinerate your silo.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    F=ma

    2,080,000 Newtons of thrust

    108,200 kg total mass

    => 19.2 m/s/s acceleration

    => 1.96g

    Or was that thrust figure per engine, rather than total?

    1. MAF

      Re: F=ma

      It's the total thrust for stage 1

      (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokot )

      But remember the mass is not a constant as we're burning the fuel (a significant part of launch mass)

      over the next 120 seconds...

    2. Steve Todd

      Re: F=ma

      So the initial departure is at 0.96G upwards (after you subtract earths gravity dragging it downwards), accelerating as fuel is burned off. Dropped items fall fairly quickly, so imagine something falling upwards.

  10. JimmyPage Silver badge
    Boffin

    thanks to AC and MAF

    nice to see some reasoned exchange of physics here, along with the "gotcha" about decreasing mass.

    But then I did laugh/appreciate the scene in "The Martian" where Matt Damon forgot to factor in his exhalation to the calculations for burning hydrazine ....

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