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Readers please note: THIS IS A POST-UK BROADCAST REVIEW – THERE WILL BE SPOILERS! Finally, the Doctor is over his mid-life crisis and his Sonic Screwdriver is back where it belongs. I was hoping that Clara (yes, I'll get to Clara) would keep the sunnies for herself after she reversed the polarity on the human-compatible neural …

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  1. msknight

    I knew it. I bloody knew it. They never kill the companion. Well, I think they did once.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Re : "They never kill the companion"

      Yep... poor Adric...

      Alltogether... great episode !

      Loved the "get off my planet"... twice...

      And the high councel gets to leave on the next shuttle...

    2. Jordan Davenport

      To be entirely fair, we did indeed see her die... Just not exactly as we thought we did.

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Companions who died and stayed dead.

        As well as Adric, they also killed Katarina and Sara Kingdom. The first Doctor's reign was the bloodiest!

        Kamelion also "died", and at the hands of the 5th Doctor himself! And so, with Adric, I guess that makes Peter Davison's reign... I don't know... equal to the first Doctor's perhaps, as Kamelion was an android and it was a mercy killing?

        And then there was Astrid and Adelaide Brooke though I don't class them as companions due to my definition of companion, that being a character who has appeared in more than one story, and has travelled between stories by TARDIS, with Sara Kingdom and The Brigadier included due to (i) the length of the Dalek Master Plan and (ii) the Brigadier just because it's right that he should be.

        Which would make 10's reign pretty gruesome too. Watch out whoever travels with 15!

    3. Ian Michael Gumby
      Boffin

      @msknight Uhmmm but she is dead.

      You really have to follow the science fiction guide in time travel...

      Her death did occur and its a fixed point in time. She is dead and will be dead. She has no heart beat and exists out of the temporal universe. She is both dead and immortal. Its this duality which is in itself a paradox. They should never had been able to pluck her out of her time stream. In doing so, they created this paradox and it will be corrected if she goes back to that moment in time.

      The interesting thing is that there are now two Tardis' loose on the universe.

      1. x 7

        Re: @msknight Uhmmm but she is dead.

        "The interesting thing is that there are now two Tardis' loose on the universe."

        I'll think you'll find its the same Tardis, just an earlier version.......she'll take it back to Gallifrey in time to hand it over to the first doctor when he escapes.

        If you remember the Doctor's Tardis didn't "like" Clara when she first signed up......that will be because the Tardis remembered that she'd abandoned the Doctor and flown off

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @msknight Uhmmm but she is dead.

          Well that would explain why the chameleon circuit broke at the end of the show. I was wondering if that was just a design flaw in all the tardises where they were just dodgy, but if it's the same one, then at some point they give it back to the Doctor, and manage to get one more change out of it.

  2. mike white 1

    Impossible Girl

    maybe she's been in between heartbeats all along in all her various incarnations?

    1. msknight

      Re: Impossible Girl

      Ever since she stepped in to his time stream a couple of years ago?

      1. james.aka.damingo

        Re: Impossible Girl

        ...Mind Blown

    2. Super Fast Jellyfish

      Re: Impossible Girl

      Possibly but I thought they were just fragments of herself. It was never clear whar happened to her after she met the doctor - I guess on Earth they all ended up in Me's Home for Old Companions of the Doctor!

  3. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    Yay! A stable plot loop. She goes the long way back to Gallifrey and nudges OneDoc off into a working Tardis onto his adventures.

  4. Aqua Marina

    So now we have Capitan Jack, and Clara as fixed points in time. Can any anagrams be deduced from those names :p

    Awaiting a future episode of Torchwood!

    1. heyrick Silver badge
      Happy

      Kinda hoping for a spin-off series where Clara and Me raise hell across time and space. Neither are Time Lords, both are immortal (in a manner of speaking), and they are joyriding a TARDIS. What could possibly go wrong?

      1. Roq D. Kasba

        As a spinoff it would be rather elegant - lots of people call for a female Dr, and its been flirted with with the Missy character that gender is just a 'thing', much as Torchwood did with sexuality. It would give 'Me' a female-based doctor story without upsetting the traditionalists or cannon. And if they do, then I'd love to watch it.

        Some people dislike Moffat and what he's brought to the series, but I respect him. He knows about storytelling and legend, has obvious reverence for the subject matter, but I'd playful within it, much as he is with Sherlock. You don't get to make two of the country's greatest exports without being at least a little bit good...

        1. AF

          They reinforced the gender-as-a-thing in this episode too, with the General regenerating into a woman after being a man for at least the last regeneration - she's all back to normal now!

          1. TRT Silver badge

            It's the job...

            during the war her body was flooded with retrotosterone, a predominantly male hormone associated with regret and the frustration arising from not being able to go back in your own time-line and fix things.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shite, sack Moffat.

    1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

      One of the best episodes so far.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "One of the best episodes so far."

        Only if you've ever watcher one episode of Dr Who, do me favour.

        Come back Sylvester McCoy era script writers, all is forgiven.

      2. adrianww

        This is obviously using some new definition of the word "best" that I was previously unaware of.

        Although I suppose - to be fair - there have been worse episodes during this shark-jumping train-wreck of a series. Like the first two or three which ensured that I didn't so much watch this rest of them as sit in the room doing something else of a Saturday evening while others watched it.

        Still saw enough of what was happening to vote for putting it back on the shelf for another couple of decades though...

    2. sisk

      Shite, sack Moffat.

      Nonsense. I could see saying that after the train wreck of season 8, but this season was superb. Over the past 12 weeks the show has returned to it's roots. So much of this season reminded me of the early eras I fell in love with. No, I say let Moffat keep doing what he's doing.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Sack Moffat +1

        No, I say let Moffat keep doing what he's doing.

        Personally I'm finding this series tired, predictable, too many of the sets and plot lines samey. Look at the repeated "shuffling monsters, run away, run away, in dark industrial environment, with emphatic exclamations" crap. I suppose at least the four billion year time loop doffs its cap at the concept of retreading, although I think that's an in-joke at the expense of the audience.

        Capaldi is a good actor, was excellent in Musketeers, but as the doctor he's just not the man. His impressively vehement "I will hunt you through the universe" and "be afraid, very afraid" type declarations are then completely frittered by the inability of the over-arching story to allow a vengeful doctor, and that undermines the point of casting the rather grizzled Capaldi.

        The rot started with the wet-lettuce of Matt Smith. Capaldi is far better, but still doesn't fit. I suggest a petition to Downing Street demanding a change in the law to force David Tennant to work as the doctor until the end of his days.

        1. steamrunner

          Re: Sack Moffat +1

          Funnily enough, of the four modern-era Doctors (five if you include John Hurt), the one that I feel was the *least* Doctor-ish was David Tennant. All creds to him as a brilliant actor, all-round good guy and for making the show huge with a new audience (well, huge-er... the first revamped season did most of the hugeness on it's own with no fanfare, to be honest), but I don't rate him as much as the others. Good. Great even. But no gold cyberman-killing star. Sacrilege, I know...

          S.

        2. Heathroi

          Re: Sack Moffat +1

          tennant. the weedy shouty one? no way.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Sack Moffat -2

          "I suggest a petition to Downing Street demanding a change in the law to force David Tennant to work as the doctor until the end of his days."

          oh dear god no - it'd be the end of Who - what with all the 'ever so sincere' monologues with, clowning around and gurning.

          He was dreadful - and represents everything that was wrong with Who during the RTD era.

          I was too giddy that Dr Who was simply back to care at the time, but he began to grate immensely.

          Oh, and your utterly wrong on every level by the way.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Sack Moffat -2

            Yeah, i thought Tennant was really good too mate! glad to see you share my appreciation for the best modern doctor. We should get coffee together and discuss how brilliant he was in the role.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "...train wreck of season 8..."

        I thought Mummy on the Orient Express was one of the better received episodes.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      dont overdo it

      It wasn't shite, not at all, but I have to admit that I also didn't think it was all that great either.

      The problem with these story twists is that they don't add up. They are highly entertaining, awesomely well executed (the bar scene was chilling, the unarmed take over of Gallifrey was very statisfying, and the old Tardis was also a nice touch). But if you dig deeper, like most geeks do, then you'll end up disappointed over so many loose ends.

      So the Sisterhood of Karn was on Gallifrey. So they knew where it was. Why didn't they tell the doctor?

      And even though I personally like seeing Clara again I also was hoping that the story would focus more on Gallifrey and the time lords instead of only centering fully around Clara Oswald again.

      Shite? Go wash your mouth sir. Acting was very well executed, the emotions then layed into it was awesome. But true; it didn't leave me with the amount of satisfaction that I hoped for.

      1. Tom Sparrow

        Re: dont overdo it

        Didn't the sisterhood say they had been called to Galifrey or did I imagine that? I guess it found them (presumably some point in the 4.5.billion years the Dr had been away)

      2. AF

        Re: dont overdo it

        There was a comment that Gallifrey was no longer hiding by this point - either that, or the Sisterhood saw a review of it on TripAdvisor which the High Council couldn't get taken down.

        I did think it was interesting to have the Doctor finally use a gun to shoot someone; he knew they wouldn't be perma-dead but still, it's ending a life. That was pretty big.

        1. illiad

          Re: dont overdo it

          But the doctor did say "death?? no, with regeneration, its just 'man-flu' :) "

          1. TRT Silver badge

            Re: dont overdo it

            I wouldn't dis' the sis'. They are a superb creation; creepy as sh** and a foil for Time Lord arrogance and pomposity. Morbius has to be one of my favourites.

            1. lorisarvendu

              Re: dont overdo it

              Never mind "The angels have the phone box."

              "Don't Dis the Sis!"

              That Tee-shirt design has got to be done!

              1. TRT Silver badge

                Re: That Tee-shirt design has got to be done!

                Tempted to put "KAAAAAARN!" across the back of it, just for confusion's sake.

            2. Eponymous Cowherd

              Re: dont overdo it

              They kind of put me in mind of the Bene Gesserit

    4. TheProf
      Facepalm

      "Shite, sack Moffat."

      Your talents are wasted on this crowd. Haven't you got a 4chan audience for your thoughtful insights?

      1. adrianww

        Sack him? No. But...

        To be fair here, I wouldn't say that Moffat should be sacked. Possibly returned to the role of dedicated screenwriter (at which he has already demonstrated his ability) while someone else takes on the responsibility of running the show as a whole, but certainly not sacked.

        This series has, however, largely been shite and I really don't understand how anything other than severely rose-tinted glasses (or hopeless addiction to all things Whovian) could make anyone believe otherwise. I really did have high hopes for Peter Capaldi in the role and I think he has tried very hard to make something of the rather shoddy mess that he has been given in terms of plotlines and script but this has been the first season of the "new" Dr Who where I, for one, have found the sow's ear simply too ugly, trite and frivolous to be turned into any kind of purse, much less a silk one.

        Still, takes all sorts I suppose. If it rocks your boat, more power to you, but I still think I'd prefer to see it shelved again (or canned altogether) rather than watch another season like this one.

    5. Eric Olson

      Could we do a poll...

      Where in addition to rating Doctors (as before), we get some demographic about the age now, when they were introduced to Doctor Who, and what Doctor they started with?

      I'm getting an impression that people have fond memories of the old series and nothing that Moffat or any past, current, or future Doctor could supplant them. There's nothing wrong with nostalgia and saying the new doesn't measure up to the old. That's fine. But clearly from a commercial standpoint, Doctor Who is doing fine with Moffat at the helm, which even for the BBC is a necessary consideration (and why the original series was "suspended" for 16 years).

      1. Vinyl-Junkie
        Thumb Up

        Re: Could we do a poll...

        For the record, here goes:

        I'm in my early 50s, I just about remember the last of the second Doctor's episodes, but my memory really starts with the third Doctor and the UNIT-based episodes. Continued to watch through to Sylvester McCoy but found the lack of commitment from the BBC and its impact on the show painful towards the end.

        Watched the movie and was disappointed, watched the first episode of the Ninth Doctor and was instantly hooked. I have, overall, enjoyed pretty much all of the new series to date, with particular liking for David Tennent's,erm, tenancy, and now Peter Capaldi's.

        Whilst certain aspects of recent series have been annoying (perhaps deliberately so in the case of the sonic sunglasses, given the end of this episode) overall I've enjoyed it. I don't think that, overall, Moffat is quite as good a helmsman as RTD, but he's no slouch either.

        1. Number6

          Re: Could we do a poll...

          I joined with the third doctor, gave up shortly after Colin Baker took over, then picked up again somewhere with Tennant.

          Part of the problem is that it's harder now, the Doctor has been to most of the important events in the Universe and on Earth, so the writers have to get more imaginative (although I did like the Doctor's instruction to President Nixon about recording everything...)

          I think the multi-part stories were an improvement, less of the trivial and a bit more chance for character and plot development. I thought Capaldi was suffering from poor scripts when he first took over, a bit like what happened to Peter Davison, but he's shown how good he can be. I don't think Moffat is as good as Davies but he's produced some good stuff along with a sprinkling of dross.

  6. x 7

    "Could this be a spin-off series, perhaps?"

    Teenage Mutant Lesbian Timelords perhaps?

    PS perhaps they could meet up with Jenny and have a threesome in the Tardis? Please?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Trollface

      Re : "Teenage Mutant Lesbian Timelords"...

      Throw Rose in there too and we've got a deal mister !

    2. Paul Crawford Silver badge
      Coat

      I'm glad I am not the only one thinking that.

      Thanks, mine is the dirty mac...

      1. TRT Silver badge

        If they go down the tipping the velvet route...

        Martha.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: If they go down the tipping the velvet route...

          Oh cum now people. Martha and Rose are both happily attached to their men.

    3. graeme leggett Silver badge

      The internet is your shellfish-of-choice for that sort of material....

    4. Badvok
      FAIL

      What you mean with two women who aren't teenage, lesbian or timelords? And only one of whom could possibly be considered mutated.

  7. Mr Flibble
    Thumb Up

    Nice to see an old TARDIS interior…

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Sadly that's about the only thing that was decent in the whole sorry mess.

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