back to article Freebooting: How Facebook's 8 billion views could be a mirage

A sizeable but unknown chunk of the 8 billion hits Facebook this week claimed to have accrued for its video platform are stolen under what content creators call freebooting. The claims come from the mouths of some of YouTube's biggest content creators, including Smarter Every Day and In a Nutshell. Menlo Park has been …

  1. ratfox
    Paris Hilton

    That means that Facebook users, instead of just posting a YouTube video, go to the trouble of downloading them and reuploading them to Facebook? What's the point?

    1. Vehlin

      Normal users tend not to bother ripping and reuploading, that is almost certainly going to be done by a much smaller group of prolific uploaders.

      The reason why people do it is that Facebook hosted videos will play easily within the Facebook phone app, which is where a lot of Facebook's traffic comes from. Youtube links kick you out to the YouTube app so people just don't bother. Thus videos posted to Facebook rather than shared will receive far more views and elicit more comments.

    2. gazzton

      What's the point?

      Because they are either blatantly (in some cases) or by inference (by not giving credit attribution) claiming that this is their own work.

      "Hey, look at me. I've got all these great videos on my page. Aren't I great".

      No doubt there's a name for the psychology involved. Is there a technical term for empty headed delusional twats?

      1. Ralph B

        Re: What's the point?

        > No doubt there's a name for the psychology involved. Is there a technical term for empty headed delusional twats?

        What about "massclickbaiters"?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What's the point?

        I'm not a psychologist, but I often like to play one on the internets.

        I diagnose all Facebook users with narcissistic personality disorder, individually and collectively, comorbid with histrionic personality disorder, antisocial behaviour (poor impulse control sub-type), and compulsive behaviour patterns driven by low self-esteem.

      3. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: What's the point?

        "Is there a technical term for empty headed delusional twats?"

        Yes, a politician

      4. TitterYeNot

        Re: What's the point?

        "Is there a technical term for empty headed delusional twats?"

        I believe 'lobotomised shitlarks'* is the term you are looking for.

        *Etymology - first popularly used with reference to a particularly moronic Daily Fail article I believe, but it seems thoroughly appropriate here.

    3. TeeCee Gold badge
      Facepalm

      Because that would involve handling something called a "link", which is complicated techy nerd stuff they don't understand.

      You have to remember that if Farcebook's subscribers were actually sheep, average ovine intelligence would decrease noticeably.

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  3. Missing Semicolon Silver badge
    FAIL

    Once again Silicon Valley makes money by pirating content

    This is a new one on me, but sites like Pinterest and Tumblr have built huge valuations on hosting content ripped off by their users.

    Pinterest is particularly egregious, providing easy facilitation tools ("Pin it").

    Of course, this only works because the content being stolen is NOT from the big American studios.

  4. Alistair
    Windows

    This is ...

    *sigh* I'm just an old fart being grumpy this morning.

    Folks making advertising money off a free video hosting operation are concerned that folks are downloading and re-uploading their content to another free video hosting operation, which might make money off advertising.

    So the crowd that has been screaming about copyright being a problem ..... are ... looking for copyright?

    <yes, thats a generalization, but because in the downline reports there is one particularly hypocritcal individual>

    I see some candidates that may well be happy to see the TPP and TTIPP implemented.

    <early morning after a long day and evening chasing down framing errors on fibre. My back is killing me and I've not had coffee.....>

  5. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Sponsors

    SmarterEveryDay (last video) shoots down his own argument when he says Youtube ads pay so little that Youtubers (even him) need sponsors.

    1. P. Lee
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Sponsors

      Is there really a youtube poster called smartereveryday?

      Hasn't the irony overload killed him?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU

      Someone else's content - because its funny and relevant to facebook participation.

  6. Squander Two
    WTF?

    Seriously?

    Prolific Youtube users are COMPLAINING about copyright infringement?

  7. Shadow Systems

    FB could fix it if they cared.

    But they don't so they won't & nothing will change until something happens to hit them where it hurts: their bottom line.

    For every video upload they could include a "Report this video" button that allowed the viewers &/or copyright holders to report the video for some reason. Pressing the button triggers a "What's wrong with it?" form that the button masher has to fill out to indicate why they've mashed the button. If bots/scripts start filling out the reason with the same text or significantly similarly worded text, then all further button mashes from that IP discarded as false. Once the button is mashed & the reason posted, someone at FB has to go over the video to determine if the complaint is valid. If it's a "This video contains porn!" style issue then it'll be obvious & the video taken down; a warning to the uploader given not to do it again & account banning for repeat offenses. If the button masher makes a DMCA claim & includes a link to their original video source (say Youtube or Vimeo, etc) then the FB reviewer will see that fact & can remove the FB copy, warn the uploader, & ban the account if need be. If the button masher has a FB account & makes too many false button mashings, that account itself can be warned &/or banned. If the button masher is a random drive-by visitor then the IP is recorded to see if any further/future reports prove to form a pattern, at which point the IP can be flagged & ignored for any more button mashings: "We're sorry but this IP has been detected as being a pain in the ass. Go troll somewhere else, you MPAA/RIAA shilling waste of bandwidth."

    But that would only happen IF the folks at FB gave a shit, which they don't, so it'll probably never happen. At least not until someone takes a nuclear powered chainsaw to their bottom line to force them to get off their ass & Get Shit Done for a change.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: FB could fix it if they cared.

      So in order to protect my videos, I'd need to watch and report everything that anyone anywhere posts to Facebook, including stuff that is not shared to me...

  8. Andrew Jones 2

    The whole "look how many videos are watched on Facebook every day" claim is bogus anyway, a video starts playing when it comes into view in the timeline even if you scroll past it so it only plays for a few seconds, but this is still counted as a view when clearly that would be like saying that someone walking past someone else's house and happening to see Coronation Street playing on the TV in the house as they walked past the window had watched the whole programme.

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