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Star Trek to go boldly back onto telly, then beam down in streams

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I hear it'll be called Star Trek, flogging the dead horse series.

Spock and Scottie are no doubt turning in their graves as is Gene.

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It will be called>>>>>>>

Star Trek For the Windows 10 Generation

Next Generation was the first reboot, Deep Space Nine the second, Voyager the third, and Enterprise the fourth, making this the fifth. If we wanted to get really nerdy we could include The Animated Series as another reboot and also consider the recent movies another reboot, making the new show a re-re-re-re-re-re-reboot.

Just like a Bad windows 10 install

There is your tech Angle oh and incoming Black Ops Shuttle

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Lens-flare trek.

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Wasn't there a point where TNG, DS9, and Voyager overlapped? So I don't think they count as separate reboots.

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dude, you're thinking of Serenity.

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TNG, DS9, and Voyager overlapped?

Original Trek and Enterprise overlapped in the Generations film

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I think Picards Enterprise docked at DS9 when Voyager began its tribulations - so all the same universe and not really re-boots

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I think Picards Enterprise docked at DS9 when Voyager began its tribulations - so all the same universe and not really re-boots

And two characters went from TNG to DS9 - Worf & O'Brien

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And there was Lwaxana. And probably a few Q.

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<<And two characters went from TNG to DS9 - Worf & O'Brien>>

And Ensign Ro.

And Kiko (O'Brian's wife) and Alexander (Worf's son).

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Flogging a dead horse, you say?

Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor not a necrohippoflagellationist.

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Picard's Enterprise brought the original crew (including a reluctant Sisko) to DS9 in the first episode, and left Chief O'Brien behind. Worf was assigned in a later series, once TNG finished. These two overlapped by several series.

Similarly, Voyager docked at DS9 in its first episode where Tom Paris and Harry Kim met over one of Quark's scams (Quark, Morn, Gul Evek and Q being the only characters to appear in all 3).

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..and Harry Kim was picked by Voyager from DS9 after Quark tried to swindle him. DS9 and Voyager were not reboots but were just more stories from the Next-Gen universe. Next Gen itself was set in the original's universe as Spock, Scotty and Bones McCoy all appeared on it.

The only reboot was the new films with Pratt and Qunito playing old characters.

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And Barclay was in Voyager. And Deanna Troy too.

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"And Ensign Ro."

If only...

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TNG and DS9 overlapped also, so even then can't count as a reboot....

And since DS9 included flashbacks/crossovers with TOS even THAT can't be reboot....

So that leaves ent... err no even that has a crossover with TOS...

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Ok already been said more eloquently by others...

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Not entirely sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I love Trek from the original through TNG to DS9, on the other Voyager and Enterprise I'd rather forget. Time will tell I guess, but I can't say the recent movies have done much to give me hope.

Here's hoping my pessimism is misplaced.

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You always want to go out on a high, and Enterprise ... was not that. So I think it's worth having another crack at it. I liked the two latest movies, I felt they were closer in spirit to TOS, so I have some hope.

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Voyager is the weakest trek series but it had it's moments (Year of Hell would have been great if they hadn't hit the reset button at the end). Enterprise picked up in it's last two seasons. DS9 is still my favourite probably for the reason that most of the people I know who like trek don't like it. It was possible for stuff that happened before to come back and bite people in sensitive places rather than just flying away and never hearing from it again.

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I agree with James 51 - DS9 (along with TOS) are my favourites. DS9 had great continuing stories, which were largely avoided in any of the other series. TNG had so much promise, but rarely delivered (Borg notwithstanding) - and the silliness with the changing face of Klingons almost undid the whole thing.

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Re: "Enterprise I'd rather forget."

My friends and I had a running gag that once Enterprise had finally been cancelled Scott Bakula would Leap Out.

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Re: "Enterprise I'd rather forget."

There was the end of series^H^H^H^H^H^Hseason finale where they'd saved the Earth from the Xindi, but to have a cliff hanger into the next series they suddenly went back in time (can't remember why) to when aliens were posing as Nazis (I don't /think/ I'm making this up, or am I getting confused with Galactica 80s?). Anyway, there was a definite "going back in time" CGI effect after which I fully expected Captain Archer to say "Oh boy!" (he didn't).

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In what way are the subsequent cash-ins er, I mean series reboots? They're no more a reboot of the original series than, say, Aliens is a reboot of Alien.

Questions of the quality of the subsequent series (especially Voyager) are fair enough, but they weren't reboots. They exist in the same Universe with what happened in the preceding series (Enterprise excepted, being a prequel) forming part of that Universe's history*.

* Unless rewriting or ignoring history worked for the plot.

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Reboots?

The term "reboot" seems to have changed meaning (or I always misunderstood it), if TNG, DS9, et al are reboots of TOS. I thought a "reboot" is where you pretend the original never happened, so you can re-tell and update the story; for example the 2004 Battle Star Galactica series, or the 2012 Total Recall movie. In my mind, TNG, DS9 etc are sequel series, not reboots; they happen in the same space and timeline as TOS, and even have some characters from TOS appear in them (Spock, R.I.P.).

I believe TNG, DS9, and Voyager had some overlap as well, DS9 started before TNG ended, and Voyager starter before DS9 ended, so it's not as if you could say they were reboots in the sense of restarting something which had stopped.

So, is any spin-off or sequel now a "reboot"?

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Re: Reboots?

No. The Reg just misused/misunderstands the term.

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I'm going with misused, but also will have a crack at attempting to expand the definition.

The new movies are absolutely reboots - same universe, same characters, same rules, a different take on things.

I'd argue TnG was just about a reboot. Yes, it was on the same timeline but it deliberately stepped far in enough in time beyond ToS to create a lacuna that allowed for the insertion of entirely new elements. As the movies rolled out, bits of that lacuna were erased to get Kirk and Picard on the same screen. But hey, let's not spend the >>whole<< day arguing about Trek continuity. People might decide we're nerds ...

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Re: Reboots?

TNG may be discussed as a "reboot" but there is a far more accurate word to descibe it: sequel. And that's why that word exists, no need to try to redefine the meaning of another one

Deep Space Nine and Voyager are contemporaries, so therefore "offshoot" is the technically accurate desciption.

The latest Star Trek movie series is the only, true "reboot" in the discussion: taking all known aspects of a creation and reimagining them. In TNG et al, the Constitution-class starships existed as they were previously shown on screen; Kirk, Spock and all the other historical personalities, as well as all the events that surrounded them, stayed in place. Only with the new movies does all of that - all of it - change. That's a "reboot".

The new series may do well - no Berman or Braga!! That's a "+100" for its potential goodness factor right there! :-)

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Even the new films aren't a conventional reboot. A typical reboot starts over with no explanation. The 2009 Star Trek movie establishes a parallel timeline where some characters (old Spock and the bad guy who's name a I can't remember) lived through and remember the original timeline but was involved in the time-travel event which changed things.

The second one get a tad more confused and more like a conventional reboot, because now some things prior to what should have been affected seem to have changed too.

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Re: Reboots?

I have to agree that DS9, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise are all firmly in the same universe (continuity errors aside).

I would've expected (and would like to see) a new series to take the same cast as the new films, not reboot all over again with another new cast.

We are due another new ST spin-off but unless they use the film cast, I want a spin-off not another re-boot please.

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Bl**dy Hell - what planet are you all on? How come you didn't spot Gene was just a bumpkin time traveller who stumbled across a movie theatre showing Galaxy Quest. The rest is history.

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Re: Reboots?

Sorry. Have you never heard of the term "spinoff"?

They (TNG, DS9, Voyager & Enterprise) are neither "reboots" nor "sequels". They are set in the original TOS universe, but do not continue to use any of the original cast as regular characters (beyond Majel Barrett, and I don't think we can count "Federation Computer" as an actual "character")

They are SPINOFFS. With occasional cross-overs and guest appearances.

The only true "sequel" would be ST:TAS.

The only "reboot" is the new film series set in the lens-flare universe. Does anyone have a handy chalk-board in their living room in order to sketch out where the time-line skews?

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Ah, but was Battlestar Galactica a reboot?

WooOOooOOoo!

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This has all happened before and will all happen again.

Actually, it can't possibly be in the same universe as the original. Richard Hatch.

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Start Wreck: Nemesis seemed to ignore specific things that had happened in ST:TNG. But perhaps the odd numbered films and it don't count?

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None of the series quoted are reboots as they all fit within the same universe as TOS. Only the recent movies are reboots (and, as such, should be ignored in anything official).

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Sorry, but if the defining characteristic of "not a reboot" is "fits in the same universe" then a reboot would have to be different characters in a different universe living a different storyline.

I would call that a different story entirely, not a reboot.

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Also: Subscribing specifically to a series? Not going to work for me unless it's appropriately cheap. Consider that subscribing to the series means "watch it once... then you're done" (or possibly more than once within the subscription period) versus (say) buying something on DVD and watching it whenever I want, and how often I want.

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Just imagine the meeting

Lets make a new series of star trek, lots of money in that !!!

Marketing Twat#87: Ok great Idea to maximise our profits, Lets make it really difficult to watch for most people, that way Nobody will pirate it due to ease of viewing.....

Boss#12: Umm sorry what?... sure yeah lets do that, you said maximise and profits in a sentence and I tuned out after that.

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Re: Also: Subscribing specifically to a series?

You've mucked that up rather badly even if you did get a fair bit of a helping hand from the author.

You don't subscribe to the series. You subscribe to the CBS service which they claim makes ALL of their content available to you. (Certainly true for anything currently on air and most of the stuff you'd find on the likes of Netflix et al that is true.) But the series will ONLY be available through the service.

Currently listing for $5.99/month in the US.

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<<Currently listing for $5.99/month in the US.>>

So you wait for the series to end, subscribe for a month, and binge watch.

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Reboots vs Extended Continuity

Of all the series cited as reboots only Enterprise can really be considered such.

TNG was explicitly a continuation of the timeline, not a reset nor did did it rely on any reset. DS9 and Voyager were also set in that same timeline (excluding those episodes in each of those series that deviated from that timeline for the purposes of weaving in an alternate timeline for unavoidable continuity preservation).

Enterprise, being set before TOS was (more) arguably a reboot for the simple reason that it was difficult to conceive that the technology presented in that earlier timeframe would or could "evolve" to the technology presented in TOS (in a way that was not so problematic for TNG and "later" vs TOS) even if strictly speaking we were supposed to accept that this is precisely what had in fact happened.

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There is a somewhat reasonable attempt to explain the changes in tech between Enterprise and TOS, detailed in “The Romulan War”. It's explained as a counter-measure against Romulan malware taking over Starfleet systems. We'd probably have seen something like that in the TV series if it hadn't been cancelled.

All being well, this new proposed series will fit in with the previous series and all 10 films. If it fits in instead with the… other two…

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"All being well, this new proposed series will fit in with the previous series and all 10 films. If it fits in instead with the… other two…"

That may not be a bad thing. Considering how far the previous producers /writers, Berman & Braga, backed the storytelling into an irrevokable corner by their stupid fixation with time travel stories, hacking up canon to meet a story's agenda, et al, maybe a fresh start will be healthy for the long term.

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Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

I really like Enterprise although it doesn't really feel like ST (the theme tune for a start!)

But this hatred for the reboot is silly. ST feature films and ST TV series are quite different beasts.

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Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

TOS is, in the Enterprise line of things, when the Federation were building starships and crazy 60s retro design was in vogue.

A bit like how, in the 2010s, the design zeitgeist for some crazy reason ditched advanced skeuomorphic desktop design for flat 8-bit CLUT 70s style iconography. I expect in 20 years time we will look back on Windows 8/10 and iOS 8/9 and OS X 10.9/10/11 and laugh at it.

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Nope, Enterprise was a prequel.

Like all things Trek, they fucked up the timeline and ignored the problems. Leaving Trekies to cobble together some false rationale for their abject failures in continuity.

Don't get me wrong, I like original Trek, a fair bit of TNG (but not the first season), and DS9. Spock was my second hero after The Batman. But the writers and producers ignored both continuity and essential human traits with some regularity. Take any episode where they had access to untold knowledge and didn't make a copy: City on the Edge of Forever, For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky, Spock's Brain. Frankly, City on the Edge of Forever is the WORST offender because it starts out with Spock doing exactly that, the episode revolves around it as the McGuffin, then ignores it after they return from their trip into the past.

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The change in tech may be explained in The Romulan War but, as any Trekker knows, books are non-canon unless specifically stated otherwise. So, canon-wise, the change is never properly explained...nor excused.

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" I expect in 20 years time we will look back on Windows 8/10...and laugh at it."

Most of us already are. Whoever thought of the "flat" design theme and whoever signed off on it will be first against the wall come the revolution!

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Tar Dreck: On borrowed time

I'm inwardly "Squee-ing" like an ante-pubescent schoolgirl upon hearing a group of 30-something "boys" are shortly to appear at my local shopping mall.

Nevertheless I find your attempts to define what is, and is-not a "re-boot" troubling. Budding Jeffrey Albertsons might say that TOS was the first reboot from the pilot. Yes, Captain Pike came back as a parody of Jeffrey Hunter's acting skills in one of Hollywood's earliest ancestors of a "Clip show", but they have markedly different feels.

Similarly one could claim that TNG->DS9->V'GER (With their overlapping run-times) were really just one big show sliced-up as talent-contracts became too expensive.

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Re: Tar Dreck: On borrowed time

Series are so regularly different from their pilot (and pilot's so often remade several times) that 'reboot' seems totally inappropriate.

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