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Sweden's Supreme Court has decided not to let Julian Assange discontinue his ongoing attempt to extend the world couch-surfing record. The five-judge court yesterday released a decision (PDF) on Assange's application to have his arrest warrant quashed. Assange's legal team argued that his ongoing residence in London's …

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  1. ratfox
    Angel

    Still looking forward to…

    The day he's finally shipped off to Sweden, where he's sentenced to a month of community service.

    1. Lee D Silver badge

      Re: Still looking forward to…

      Before or after spending six months in a British jail for skipping bail and resisting arrest?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Still looking forward to…

      The day he's finally shipped off to Sweden, where he's sentenced to a month of community service.

      I heard rumours the Swedish people were now indeed coming to the UK. That could be interesting, because if he is indeed convicted in absentia after that interview the Ecuadorians will be actively harbouring a criminal. Not sure how well that one will go down in the annals of diplomatic history, but I have a feeling in that embassy is yet another person who is regretting the day they befriended St Jules. So, in short, you may have your wish soon. It's about time too.

      Assange's legal team argued that his ongoing residence in London's Ecuadorian embassy is a disproportionate response to the investigation into his alleged crimes.

      LOL - this shows a serious degree of desperation. The Swedes had nothing to do with that, so it won't influence matters one iota. That St Jules decided to bolt is not their problem, even less so that the embassy was stupid enough to abuse the asylum process.

      1. Scorchio!!

        Re: Still looking forward to…

        They already are harbouring an offender, albeit not convicted; he has skipped bail in this country.

    3. Cliff

      Re: Still looking forward to…

      ...where he's sentenced to a month of community service...

      For him, the only thing worse would be 2 weeks community service - remember this isn't about whatever it's about, it's about Assange being terrified of being irrelevant after all.

      1. Mark 85
        Devil

        Re: Still looking forward to…

        Then maybe no sentence except a gag-order on the press to never, ever mention his name again. Add.. maybe orders to Google to never-ever show a hit if some searches his name. What could be worse then to be an un-person?

  2. msknight

    Flight?

    Honestly! Where to? Off the sofa and on to the armchair?

  3. Alister

    What! Hasn't he finished digging a tunnel from the Ecuadorian Embassy to the Thames with a teaspoon yet?

    1. msknight

      I heard he tried it, but made the mistake of starting from the first floor and ended up in the lobby. His hosts were not impressed according to reports...

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Coat

      Hasn't he finished digging a tunnel from the Ecuadorian Embassy to the Thames

      He tried. It leaked.

      1. Cliff

        ... And so he started a wiki site about it.

        Don't you find sites get off-topic rather quickly ;)

  4. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    What?

    "Assange's legal team argued that his ongoing residence in London's Ecuadorian embassy is a disproportionate response to the investigation into his alleged crimes."

    So leave !

    1. Velv
      Mushroom

      Re: What?

      The "dispropotionate response" Is by Assange to the issuance of an arrest warrant and it is nothing to do with Sweden or its courts. It was his choice to go to Ecuador to continue to evade arrest, and no matter how noble the cause, let's not forget that he has chosen to evade arrest.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      WTF?

      Re: What?

      Please someone explain the down votes (the single one I get, always get at least one).

      Please explain HOW it's Sweden's fault he is in an Embassy?

      1. Scorchio!!

        Re: What?

        "Please someone explain the down votes (the single one I get, always get at least one).

        Please explain HOW it's Sweden's fault he is in an Embassy?"

        It happens to me also and I consider it to be a badge of honour that, for citing facts, I elicit disapproval; it demonstrates how out of touch with the truth these people are; it occurs, not because they have some superb a priori argument against you, based on laws and morals, and no one has yet offered any coherent argument about the alleged rapey-man whose followers appear to accord him some latter day Neo status.

        As to Julie himself, he absconded from Sweden (soon after his lawyer was informed the police wanted to interview and then arrest him as per Swedish legal practise, thereby causing his lawyer's professional society to interview him), having prior made it clear he wanted to reside there - it being that he felt safe from the US - but now feels they have banana republic justice, even though they subscribe to the same legal standards/ECHR/HRA that the Brits (for the while at least) do, and then locked himself in a a Latinate closet.

        Julie's Knightsbridge balcony scenes were amusing, a sign of desperate manipulation. Not long now. Soon he'll need either a medical or dental operation that will require him to leave the building. He can be assured of an excellent escort, a clear route, and people at the point of treatment who will guard and protect him. Unless of course he chooses to have a sordid death in the closet. I'm sure the NHS won't mind this single instance of health tourism. ;-)

        Please arrow this post down. I want to see as many down arrows as possible. Thank you.

        1. Khaptain Silver badge

          Re: What?

          "Please arrow this post down. I want to see as many down arrows as possible. Thank you."

          Had to oblige .... boring afternoon......................... . . . . . . . . . .

      2. Swarthy
        Holmes

        Re: What?

        Well, what else does Assange™ have to do while holed-up in the Embassy? He's reading articles about himself and down-voting the comments he disagrees with (the ones that call him out/call him names, mainly).

  5. James Ashton

    Statute of Limitations

    I understand that there's a clock ticking in Sweden so Assange doesn't have long to wait to forget about that mess due to a statue of limitations on his alleged crimes. His real problem will remain in the UK where he's clearly skipped bail.

    1. LucreLout

      Re: Statute of Limitations

      I understand that there's a clock ticking in Sweden so Assange doesn't have long to wait to forget about that mess due to a statue of limitations

      I still don't believe that the clock can be counted as running down when you're deliberately fleeing from justice and obfuscating the investigation of the crime.

      As I've said before, it surely can't be the right that you could visit Sweden, get all rapey with the natives, then return home. When they don't find you for a few years, because they have no idea where in the world you are, you get off free as a bird? I just don't buy that. If, however, it is true, then Sweden should be urgently looing towards reforming its judicial process.

      1. Gordon 10

        Re: Statute of Limitations

        As I understand it - that Statute of limitations only applies to SOME of the charges that AssHat faces, not the most serious ones.

        1. Robert Helpmann??
          Childcatcher

          Re: Statute of Limitations

          While I am not sure how the statute of limitations would be applied under Swedish law, I am curious as to whether he could be charged and tried in absentia. At least in a generic sense, the limitation is on the time between the crime and a person being charged with it. If he has been charged, I would think there would no longer be a ticking clock in that sense.

    2. Scorchio!!

      Re: Statute of Limitations

      No, once the CJS has made its initial attempts to apprehend and charge the suspect the statute of limitations is irrelevant, since the man has become an offender by virtue of absconding.

    3. AnotherBird
      FAIL

      Re: Statute of Limitations

      Statute of limitation is a legal mechanism to force the prosecution and complainant to be diligent. The clock can stop clicking for a number of reasons. All those reasons are because of actions by the accused.

  6. Spasticus Autisticus
    Mushroom

    'Assange's layers' - how many layers? I think we should be told.

    1. M7S
      Coat

      re: Assange's Layers

      That's why it's called The Onion Router

    2. Lee D Silver badge

      More seriously - who's paying the lawyers?

      Because I'm assuming that, apart from the odd media interview, Assange isn't in full time employment or education. Presumably, the same people who bailed him out (which out worked really well!), or he's receiving funding from Wikileaks etc.?

      Who's paying his day-to-day expenses while he's in the embassy? And who's funding these lawyers (plural)? And, secondly, they aren't actually very good at what they do (I mean, it's hard when your client is on the run, but even so).

      Roll on the day when he's slung in a British jail, transported to Sweden, maybe slung in a Swedish jail, and then forgotten about when he comes out. Nobody cares any more. Along with Royal babies and who's now minister of whatever, I'm so bored of him I couldn't care less.

      1. Cliff

        It's wikileaks, isn't it? They certainly had a load of fundraisers for his South American holiday (bet he wishes he'd read the brochure properly now)

        1. Shades
          Paris Hilton

          You do realise Assange isn't actually in Ecuador don't you, or were you trying to be funny?

          1. Scorchio!!

            "You do realise Assange isn't actually in Ecuador don't you, or were you trying to be funny?"

            Looks like an ironic dig at Assange's desire to fly to Ecuador, and how many people try to claim that the embassy is Ecuadoran territory, which it is most decidedly not.

      2. Scorchio!!

        ISTR that he set his Wikipedia salary at around £80,000. Then there is the considerable advance given him by a publishing house for his autobiography, from which agreement he withdrew whilst keeping the money, thereby proving himself to be completely untrustworthy and pefidious. I believe there are other sizeable chunks hanging around. The whole Wikipedia set up seems to me to belong to the Dear Leader, who uses it as a milch cow.

        You will remember that his earlier benefactors, the ones who stumped up bail for him, lost their money. I'd like to say that he's blown it in that respect, but I somehow think that some of them will continue to bet on this horse.

        1. Tom 38

          Wikipedia != Wikileaks

          They are both run by obsequious middle aged men, just different ones.

  7. Herby

    Maybe if...

    Mr. Assange's people can leak some Hillary Clinton documents/emails, he might get some people in the USA to give him some help. Probably not the ones he wants, but you never know.

  8. Snivelling Wretch

    Where does this £10m cost supposedly come from?

    1. S4qFBxkFFg

      Police presence at the embassy, their salaries, overtime, NI, other employment costs.

      Yes, they'd get paid anyway, but the assumption is that other police would be needed to do what the new embassy guards were doing before.

    2. Dominion

      £10,000 a day to have a police presence outside the embassy to arrest him if he tries to leave.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31159594

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "£10,000 a day to have a police presence outside the embassy to arrest him if he tries to leave."

        How many police men and women make up a £10,000 per day, I wonder?

      2. MrXavia

        I assume we'll send the bill to the Sweeds?

        It is them after all that have asked for him,so they should cover the cost right?

        1. Alister

          I assume we'll send the bill to the Swedes?

          No, why would we? It's not their fault he decided to skip bail in Britain. The police are there to arrest him for that offence - for which there is no shadow of a doubt of his guilt btw...

    3. Chris Miller

      Rough guess

      Say you need 5 plods to guard the embassy (assuming there's more than one entrance/exit). Mounting that guard 24x365 would require 30 bodies plus a few 'chiefs' to manage the 'indians'. Cost of those bodies is over £3 million a year* (not just salary, you need to include all their kit, pensions funding etc).

      * Met police current budget £3.7bn pa for 37,000 pairs of boots on the ground.

      1. John H Woods Silver badge

        Re: Rough guess

        Can't see any problem with a Rough order of Magnitude estimate of a plod being £100k pa. But "cost to the taxpayer" stuff is not as simple as adding this up.

        Firstly, a figure of 'millions' is negligible compared to the tax pot, so reporting it in absolute terms can mislead those who are not aware of the annual tax take. Secondly, at least half of the salary of the plod ends up back in the tax system (and the purchase equipment with which he is supplied benefits the businesses who supply that equipment, and their employees, and the taxman benefits from both of these --- same is true for the coffee and doughnuts he buys when off duty etc.). Thirdly, the police keeping an eye on Assange are presumably not exclusively dedicated to that: if a high priority incident occurs nearby, some of them will surely be redeployed appropriately.

    4. Blofeld's Cat
      Facepalm

      "Where does this £10m cost supposedly come from?"

      It's one of those magic numbers usually reserved for phrases, like "... with a street value of £X,000 ...", beloved by official spokespersons.

      It's calculated on the basis that the ambassador used to just leave the keys in the door when he nipped out to the shops, and the police had no idea it was even an embassy, before you-know-who turned up.

    5. Small Furry Animal

      @ Snivelling Wretch

      I see that you're not a beancounter^W accountant then. It's called Creative Accounting

    6. DropBear

      "Where does this £10m cost supposedly come from?"

      It's simply cold, hard fact - much like the statement that 98.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    7. Natalie Gritpants

      It's money well spent to keep the principles of UK law and justice alive. There is an upper limit on what it will cost: for the taxpayer the max cost will be £10m * his remaining life span; for Mr Assange the max cost is his life.

      1. Cliff

        Employing people isn't just their take home salary costs. There's the NI, holiday pay, sick pay, maternity, recruitment, training, HR overhead, management of said staff, desk space, payroll run costs, IT overhead, uniforms, equipment, welfare vehicles, shift costs, plus the cost of what those coppers aren't able to at the same time. Employing people is expensive, the overhead is huge.

  9. x 7

    time to break off diplomatic relations with Ecuador, declare the embassy staff persona-non-grata and insist on evacuation of the embassy.

    1. LucreLout

      They'd simply appoint him to a role, and he's free to leave with them to the airport. A little like the Libyan embassy thing, where due to international law we had to let a murder of WPC Fletcher simply walk away. Of course, if the building were to catch fire Assange would be facing some uncomfortable choices...

      I'm quite amazed he has lasted this long.... Self appointed house arrest for years on end, and all the charges will still be waiting for him when he eventually walks out the door. Certainly he will be looking at arrest and jail time for his bail jumping, and any extradition to the USA will happen during that period anyway. He seems to be acheiving little with his time, and may be better just serving whatever tariff is due.

      1. Velv

        "I'm quite amazed he has lasted this long.... Self appointed house arrest for years on end..."

        You've answered your own statement. Without his self appointed house arrest he'd have disappeared into the mists of obscurity years ago. His continued "situation" merely keeps him in the (increasing diming) spotlight.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        They'd simply appoint him to a role, and he's free to leave with them to the airport.

        Nope, diplomatic protocol has been explained ad infinitum. The UK would have to first accept that appointment for it to have any status, and that is really not going to happen.

        A little like the Libyan embassy thing, where due to international law we had to let a murder of WPC Fletcher simply walk away.

        Unfortunately, in that case diplomatic immunity was in place so the only solution was to close that shop and expel the lot of them :(. However in Assange's case that would not protect him, because he has no way to acquire diplomatic status (as explained above) so he'd simply be arrested anyway the moment the cleaners carried him out with all the other rubbish that they would leave behind.

      3. Scorchio!!

        "They'd simply appoint him to a role, and he's free to leave with them to the airport"

        No, utterly wrong; it would have to a) be done in advance, and b) be approved by the Court of St James, and you can bet your anus that they will not approve the application.

        Yvonne Fletcher was another matter.

        Assange does not have long left in the embassy. He will at some point face a pressing need of greater importance than avoiding the Swedish authorities. Perhaps they could relinquish their claim on him - and they have offered this to the US - then the UK CJS could arrest him for bail jumping, jail him on remand, and wait for the Americans to accept him into Hillary Clinton's loving bosom, or failing that into the Guantanamo womb, where Lindy could lead him around on a dog leash. Oh happy ironical thoughts.

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