back to article You say you want a musical revolution. Actually, have three

‪Pop music history has been marked by three distinct revolutions over the last 50 years, according to data-crunching boffins.‬ Three epochal years – 1964, 1983 and 1991 – marke, the greatest upheavals in musical tastes, according to Queen Mary University of London and Imperial College London, based on an analysis of more than …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Rap on!

    I said a hip hop,

    Hippie to the hippie,

    The hip, hip a hop, and you don't stop, a rock it

    To the bang bang boogie, say, up jump the boogie,

    To the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.

    1. Evil Auditor Silver badge
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      Re: Rap on!

      TU for bringing back some memories....

  2. TheProf

    Out of date

    Not a very critical piece El Reg. And so late to the party too.

    New Scientist

    1. P. Lee

      Re: Out of date

      We've got a method - and by golly we're going to apply it to something!

      Not even airplay is immune to manipulation. You'll find the same track played on multiple radio channels at the same time on consecutive days in exactly the same way you hear the same adverts on multiple channels at the same time. Its almost as if someone... paid for it to be there. Its so blatant, that I doubt even the request shows do more than pick the people who want the tracks/artists they want to play anyway.

    2. Skiper

      Re: Out of date

      Female ejaculation comes in two forms ? Now _that's_ interesting !

  3. Paul Kinsler

    never mind the journal ...

    here's the arXiv version :-)

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.05417

  4. Yugguy

    Pap music, meh.

    METAL!!! PUNK!!!

    1. Amorous Cowherder

      Re: Pap music, meh.

      Metal, which is basically 50/60's rock and blues with more speed and a shit load of overdriven guitar. 30 years at the metal mast, don't get me wrong I'm a fan of anything decent like Emperor, Suno))) and Skeletonwitch but I'm under illusion where metal's roots are. I was brought up listening to Cliff and the Shadows, The Ventures, Stones, Floyd and Buddy Holly, I can see almost direct lines running back to those 60's bands.

  5. chivo243 Silver badge
    Windows

    I think hip-hop saved the charts

    Hip-hop and rap ruined the charts... not that the charts ever mattered to me.

    They missed a big revolution in the mid 80's with grunge! I'm looking at the family tree of grunge from Spin Magazine, and I see lots of Seattle grunge bands started in the 80's.

    1. jacobbe

      Re: I think hip-hop saved the charts

      The salient words here are "pop charts".

      When push comes to shove, there wasnt much grunge in the charts. For every grunge song, there was at least 13 "Take That" singles above it.

      1. Amorous Cowherder

        Re: I think hip-hop saved the charts

        Grunge was basically a fusion of Husker Du/Pixies/Sonic Youth rock oddness, a lot of Neil Young style lyrics and chuck in some Ramones anger occasionally! I name check Screaming Trees, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains to name three.

        1. chivo243 Silver badge
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          Re: I think hip-hop saved the charts

          @Amorous Cowherder

          I would add a few to the list... Tad, The Melvins and Mudhoney. I was never a fan of Husker Du or Pixies, but was exposed to a lot of Sonic Youth and may have seen them? The 80's were a long time ago!

          However, your list has my favorites from the era. Great picks!

    2. Code Monkey

      Re: I think hip-hop saved the charts

      Grunge was nothing revolutionary; just another flavour of rock music.

  6. Paul Shirley

    American Pop music history has been marked by three distinct revolutions

    Apparently things like punk never reached the US ;)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: American Pop music history has been marked by three distinct revolutions

      Err, punk started in the US; the British version had a bad start so took a while to catch up, by which time it was already morphing into the early 80s stuff.

      1. Chris G

        Re: American Pop music history has been marked by three distinct revolutions

        So the punk concerts I bounced ( door security not pogoing) at in the South Eastern UK from '76 on wasn't punk and the thousands of fans weren't punks?

        Who'd have known?

        Incidently Siousxie from the Banshees was hot and a nice girl to chat to.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: American Pop music history has been marked by three distinct revolutions

          +1 for Siouxsie. A class act, and now I am an old geezer to my kids (i.e. 40+) I have passed on the story that Hong Kong Garden was written in response to some nasty racists hassling the owner of the takeaway in the town where Siouxsie lived. Doesn't matter what you look like, my dears, so long as you have as much class as Siouxsie and Budgie.

  7. Chris Evans

    1983 synthesisers!

    "1983 when electronic bands [started using]... (synthesisers, samplers and drum machines)"

    The use of synthesisers and mellotrons (An early type of sampler) were well established in Prog Rock bands (Pink Floyd, Yes etc) by the early 70's. I think the study is showing an American bias.

    1. Elmer Phud

      Re: 1983 synthesisers!

      Ahem . . .

      "The Moog synthesizer gained wider attention in the music industry after it was demonstrated at the Monterey International Pop Festival in 1967"

    2. Rosco

      Re: 1983 synthesisers!

      This work seems to identify not the first pioneering use of musical styles, but the first widespread adoption. Yes, prog-rockers were pioneers of synth sounds but you wouldn't say that the early '70s charts were characterised by that sound.

      Likewise, hip-hop and rap arguably started in the 70s, but it didn't start gaining a foothold in the charts until the early 90s.

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 1983 synthesisers!

        I was a UK session keyboard player throughout the '80's. DASH and PCM recorders for multitrack and mixing down didn't become widespread until the late '80's. For me, the major changes around 1983 were, in descending order:

        1. Widespread adoption of digital signal processing, especially the replacement of plate, spring and echo chamber with digital reverb (AMS and Lexicon); digital delay (AMS); harmonising (Eventide); and upper harmonic enhancement (Aphex, some of which tended to be added at the mastering stage);

        2. Widespread use of triggered drum samples (usually in an AMS) to replace bass drum and snare drum sounds, resulting in a very consistent, not to say oppressive, drum sound;

        2. Widespread use of the Solid State Logic mixing desk, which had a characteristic 'shiny' sound to its EQ and mix bus compressor plus gates on every input channel, used along with AMS reverb to create the Phil Collins gated reverb drum sound;

        3. Widespread availability of digital synths (Yamaha DX7, PPG) and cheap analogue/digital hybrids (Roland Juno 60) having a very different, thinner,singer and more middle sonic signature than earlier synths;

        4. Drum machines (Linndrum, Oberheim, to a lesser extent Roland TR808);

        5. Low-bit samplers (Fairlight II; Emulator, etc.).

        Blimey, those were the days. I find it all pretty well unlistenable now. I much prefer the sound of "Kind of Blue'...

        BTW, I spent Autumn 1983 touring Germany and the UK with Hot Chocolate. Best band I ever played with, with the best band leader and front man. Errol RIP.

    4. Hairy Spod

      Re: 1983 synthesisers!

      either that or they are using Queen's "No synthesisers" statements on their albums which suddenly stopped in the early 80s as a guide to how all music was made as if nothing (else) really matters.

      1. Ilgaz

        Re: 1983 synthesisers!

        Ironically, they created the best syth based songs as a rock band.

    5. Christopher Lane
      Facepalm

      Re: 1983 synthesisers!

      If you want to get technical the Theremin was around in 1928 (I think?)...

      1. Paul Kinsler

        Re: Theremin 1928?

        Not as early as '28,but also the Oramics Machine is worth a mention...

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    6. Dan Paul

      Re: 1983 synthesisers! Watch it!

      SOME of us discerning listeners in the USA were already well aware of those bands in the very late 60's and early '70's.

      How about Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, early Genesis, Yes, Rick Wakeman, Strawbs, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Moody Blues, Gentle Giant, Kansas, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Eno & Fripp, Zappa, Jethro Tull, Van deGraf Genrator, Can, Caravan, Curved Air, Camel, etc, etc. The list is too long and these "boffins" are anything but boffins.

      Still some of the best music ever produced and makes most of today's popular music look like the derviative excrement it is. Seen alot of these on the septugenarian tours and the youth of today that hear these bands are just blown away at how good they are. When I tell them these are 50 & 60 year old bands, they can't believe it.

      1. Skiper

        Re: 1983 synthesisers! Watch it!

        Thank god, punk came and killed all those boring bands (except for Kraftwerk).

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: 1983 synthesisers! Watch it!

        The list is too long and these "boffins" are anything but boffins.

        "I don't understand this study and I don't want to!"

    7. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: 1983 synthesisers!

      I think the study is showing an American bias.

      RTFA. The study tracked changes in the music in the US Billboard Top 100 chart. It's not "showing an American bias" - it''s about popular music in the US.

      Similarly, it's not about what was "well established" in particular genres. It's about what was in the Top 100. And while Pink Floyd, for one, were indeed both successful and influential in the US (Dark Side of the Moon will apparently be on one of the Billboard charts until the heat death of the universe), such successes were not sufficient to define the overall shape of popular music in the US.

      It's a shame1 the study is unrelated to your concerns, but them's the breaks. You're welcome to do your own statistical analysis of other musical trends in other places.

      1Not really.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Rock was born ten year before 1964...

    ... ant it was not the always highly overrated Beatles and Rolling stones to introduce it (especially the Beatles with their lame ye-ye sound). They were not a music revolution, but a 'behavioral' one. They understood that looking like idiots, and acting like idiots, would have paid much more than their music in years when young people wanted to 'feel different' and break with the 'old ways'.

    From a musical point of view, other artists were much more innovative than the easy sound of Beatles (moreover, usually badly performed), and the repetitive sound of Rolling Stones. But on stage, they were the 'revolutionaries' people looked for regardless of the music. Perfect 'products' for the times. The same 'game' will be repeated often in the following years with other singers and groups...

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      1. Tom 7

        Re: Rock was born ten year before 1964...

        Sister Rosetta Tharpe was rocking by the 40's. But as people point out it might be better to describe a musical genre as beginning when the mainstream start to notice - though this can leave you with the impression that the music industry actually helps musicians which it patently doesnt.

  9. Turtle

    Music, But Not To My Ears.

    "This was a real revolution: suddenly it was possible [to have] a pop song without harmony,"

    For those who want less music in their music.

    1. TheOtherHobbes

      Re: Music, But Not To My Ears.

      >For those who want less music in their music.

      Try academic electronic music - no harmony, no melody, no rhythm, no audience.

  10. Forty Two
    Facepalm

    "based on an analysis of more than 17,000 songs from the US Billboard Hot 100."

    Having lived and listened through the entire period I recall several "upheavals". "Dead Skunks in the Middle of the Road", "My Ding-a-Ling", "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" ... Bit like determining the eating trends of a city by looking at the fast food wrappers in a landfill.

  11. John Sanders
    Mushroom

    I hate rap and hip-hop

    I tried to like it, but ultimately I could not shake the impression that it is the type of music someone without talent can make.

    One of the reasons I learned to use Adobe Audition & Audacity is so I could cut rap pieces of perfectly good songs.

    The best example I can think of is "Dirty Harry" from Gorillaz. Suddenly it is a good piece of music.

    Also my daughter asked me once to give the treatment to one of Katy Perry's songs "Black Horse".

    I'm not alone on this, plenty of people do that online these days.

    1. Cowboy Bob

      Re: I hate rap and hip-hop

      Depends on the rap genre as to whether talent is required. There's pop-rap (which the article is talking about that has virtually no redeeming features), all the way through to the talented but lower selling artists who are effectively putting poetry to beats, people such as Dälek - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXgM9T4mFbQ

    2. Hollerith 1

      Re: I hate rap and hip-hop

      Oooo, I thought I was the only one to open up the old audio editor (WavePad, in my case) and cut offending bits. Not just the rap, if I don't like it, but what I consider really dumb bits in an otherwise brilliant song. For instance, the little 'recitative' (if I might call it that) towards the end of Garbage's 'Why do you love me', which suddenly stops the song, contradicts it completely, and isn't good. >snip< perfecto.

    3. Scott 26

      Re: I hate rap and hip-hop

      > I'm not alone on this, plenty of people do that online these days.

      One of the most fascinating "how-to mix" videos is Prodigy's Smack My Bitch Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI

  12. rcp27

    It would be interesting to see if the same trends appear if the method is applied to the British charts. I expect the dates of the upheavals would be different, and I suspect the influence of rap and hip hop are less strong in the British market.

  13. theOtherJT Silver badge

    s/saved/ruined

    "A lot of hair metal and stadium rock, like Bon Jovi and Bruce Spingsteen, came into the charts, and they had a bigger share of the overall charts," Mauch added. "But then rap and hip-hop came in. I think hip-hop saved the charts."

    ...but then again I grounded out on the late 80s at some point and am still stubbornly trying to pretend that there's no such thing as "Dubstep"

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Old news ...

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/punk-scientists-discover-fourth-chord-2015032496607

  15. Frumious Bandersnatch

    suddenly it was possible [to have] a pop song without harmony

    If that was in 1991, then I guess Napoleon XIV must have been some sort of visionary? That came out in 1966 and although the wiki link doesn't mention it, I recall reading that he was denied composition rights (iirc) because it didn't have any of the usual elements of a "song", most notably not having any "notes" (no pun intended, it's all just glissando with no fixed stops). I think that the link here might explain that in point 5... he lost certification from the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers.

    Also, while I'm talking about pre-dating, how about Blondie (Rapture, 1980) and Gil Scott-Heron (TRWNBT, 1970) as rappers/proto-rappers? And obviously there were tons of electronic artists before the 1983 cutoff (like Bruce Haack, but many before him, too). Less eclectically, Telstar was a massive hit in 1962...

  16. DJV Silver badge

    7 year cycle

    I always thought that music from the mid-1950s onwards roughly seemed to have a 6-8-year cycle in the UK:

    1956 - Elvis Presley and rock (ok, Haley and Rock Around The Clock was 2 years earlier)

    1963 - Beatles (which morphed into the later hippy stuff)

    1971 - Glam - Bowie, Bolan etc.

    1977 - Punk

    1983 - Synth-based stuff and new romantics

    1991 - Hip-hop etc. by which time I had pretty much lost interest in the charts due to old age, senility or getting married (I forget which)

    1. lambda_beta
      Linux

      Re: 7 year cycle

      Reminds me of sun-spots!

    2. Skiper

      Re: 7 year cycle

      That's about it although you forgot american black music (blues, soul, funk). For the kiddies, altough I doubt there are many on this site, I suggest you check out the documentary "Dancing in the streets" from the BBC. Great way to understand the evolution of popular music from 1950 to 2000.

  17. 1 Million Dollars

    MTV Raps, most definitely saved MTV. Early rap was dynamic, energetic and that home - brewed creativity, you get at the start of any movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJh0p8L01M

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