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In a turn of events that should shock nobody, the operators of one of the largest darknet drug markets have apparently run off with user funds. The Evolution underground market, which sold guns, drugs, and a cornucopia of illicit merchandise, went dark. A self-described administrator said on Reddit that the site's owners have …

  1. Tromos

    Escrow?

    E-Screw more like.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: Escrow?

      No, it's EVE-scrow. Which is defined as the practise of giving money to someone who plays EVE Online, in the hope that they'll give it back to you in future.

      Sometimes this even happens.

      EVE was good training for reading about Bitcoin. Because it gives one a certain predictive ability...

  2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

    Important distinction

    They didn't steal $12m. They took some internet monopoly money that just happened to have a market value in USD of $12m when they did it. The coins that Mt. Gox took/lost/whatever are worth less than half as much now as they were when they were taken for instance.

    Word is though that they've got their hands on 130,000 bitcoins, rather than the original estimate of 43,000, or about $32.5m at the current rate.

    1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: Important distinction

      I should have added "inasmuch as they're worth anything". They might have a dollar value on some dodgy market somewhere but that doesn't mean you can do anything economically worthwhile with them.

      Other than buying illegal drugs, guns and pornography I guess. The future of currency!

      1. Ben Tasker

        Re: Important distinction

        They might have a dollar value on some dodgy market somewhere but that doesn't mean you can do anything economically worthwhile with them.

        That's likely part of the problem they now face. The dollar value of the BTC may be high, but there are going to be some very pissed off people watching the blockchain trying to work out where that money has gone.

        Cashing that amount out, even in small amounts is going to be pretty risky for a while (given you don't know exactly who you've pissed off, or how well connected they may or may not be).

        After a theft a while back, one guy was even dedicated enough to follow transactions through a tumbler, so tumbling the coins (and it's likely no tumbler has that amount spare anyway, so you'll poison your tumbling pool pretty quickly) isn't necessarily a defence.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Important distinction

          "Cashing that amount out, even in small amounts is going to be pretty risky for a while (given you don't know exactly who you've pissed off, or how well connected they may or may not be)."

          You can guarantee that at least some of them have guns and are quite cross.

      2. phuzz Silver badge
        Go

        Re: Important distinction

        Scan take bitcoins now, so you could buy yourself a computer (or several thousand, depending).

        It turns out there's quite a few ways to turn your electronic funny money into Serious Real Money these days, although converting more than a few hundred bitcoins will likely prove difficult.

        1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

          Re: Important distinction

          Scan, like almost every retailer that "accepts bitcoins as payment", uses an intermediary, in this case BitPay. BitPay takes the bitcoins sends Scan some dirty fiat on your behalf.

  3. Term
    Joke

    WTF

    No honour amongst thieves! Who would have thought it.

  4. Mark 85
    Pirate

    Stealing from crooks is never a good idea.....

    I imagine that there's already a few "contracts" out there on these two. And if an LEA gets their hands on them I don't think the pokey is a place those two want to end up. History tells us the bad guys have a long reach....

    1. Little Mouse

      Re: Stealing from crooks is never a good idea.....

      Heh Heh Heh - time to star the rumours flying and see what pays off.

      I heard from a friend of a friend that, erm, Justin Beiber did it.

      1. Ben Tasker

        Re: Stealing from crooks is never a good idea.....

        I heard from a friend of a friend that, erm, Justin Beiber did it.

        A comment like that can only lead to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dci1iet9kc

  5. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Holmes

    So evolution *is* real, then?

    Now we've evolved a more efficient predator, it won't be long before the criminals evolve a better defense (or disguise) against it.

  6. knarf

    Live by the Escrow die by the Escrow

    Some sods will come off fairly badly from this, maybe we need regulation *sic*

    1. Danny 14

      Re: Live by the Escrow die by the Escrow

      Good idea, why don't you suggest darknet regulation to OFCOM?

  7. deive

    I would imagine that most of those bitcoins belong to the dealers, not the users.

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