back to article Marconi: The West of England's very own Italian wireless pioneer

This is the story of a 22-year-old technology genius, who, stung by the lack of interest in his work in his homeland, moved to a new country to develop his ideas. In a single year, this individual extended the performance of a key technology of his time by a factor of more than 20. It sounds like an outlandish tale even by …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Excellent article - cheers.

    Now for one on GEC-Marconi :(

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Excellent article - cheers.

      Now for one on GEC-Marconi :(

      Donated to the City of London on condition that the site was cleared.

    2. Faux Science Slayer

      Marconi was a FRAUD and a PATENT THIEF

      See my comments below....

      Tesla: "Of course Marconi's patent work, he took every one of mine"

      This Rothschild/Rockefeller fraud then set up the Edison puppet as Radio Corporation of America to produce receivers, broadcast equipment and programing, all under monopolist propaganda control.

      1. Chris Fox

        Re: Marconi was a FRAUD and a PATENT THIEF

        Indeed, the world of radio patents from 1890's onwards was as controversial as software patents today. Marconi was awarded a patent on his "black box", which turned out to contain the inventions of others. This was a major scandal at the time among those working on radio. And his patents on tuning were not novel; they just describe existing work of others. He was also supposed to be working for the GPO when he was making his refinements to radio, using public money and a team of GPO staff, but then refused to hand over the results of their work to the GPO, claiming it as his own. HIs first supposedly successful transatlantic transmission is also subject to serious doubt, and changes to make it work later (e.g. lowering the frequency) again appears to be based on the work of other. He ruthelesly expoited the Titanic disaster, claiming his radios had saved hundreds of lives (it is interesting that one of his associates at that time, Sarnoff -- who was embroilled in this story through some fiction about him somehow being involved as a telegraph operator -- was subsequently found to have misappropriated other inventions, including wideband FM, which ultimately lead to the sucide of the actual inventor).

        Marconi is like Edison, Alexander Graham-Bell and other commercially successful "great inventors" who turned out not to have invented "their" inventions; he was very good at marketing, politicking, ruthlessly claiming the inventions of others, and gaming the patent system, and whose success seems to be based on lucky timing, combined with a complete absence of ethics or shame.

        This is not to say we cannot acknowledge the achievements of Marconi and others for what they are; I just don't see why it is necessary to perpetuate these sanitised and fictionalised accounts, and continue to ignore or whitewash the more controversial aspects of their professional lifes. Doing so merely serves to belittle and ignore those who actually did the work on which the success of these "great inventors" was built.

  2. Thomas Gray

    Good video presentation available

    Episode one of the rather good Ham Radio show TX Factor (http://www.txfilms.co.uk/txfactor/txfactor.shtml) contained a segment about Poldhu, well worth a watch if you are interested.

  3. Robbles

    *ahem*

    Nikola Tesla - that is all.

    1. Chris Miller

      Re: *ahem*

      There's no doubt that Marconi was the first to demonstrate long-range radio transmission and reception - the arguments with Tesla were about who held the US patents, the courts eventually decided in favour of Tesla (and we all know how reliable US patent judgements are).

    2. Mage Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: *ahem*

      Tesla was truly one of the inventors. Marconi was the most successful Radio Entrepenure perhaps till David Sarnoff (RCA). Marconi was one of the original RCA founders with GE, but kicked out by US government.

      RCA bought Victor Talking Machine Co. Which in UK was HMV and in Japan JVC. When in 1928 UK Columbia Graphophone was taken over by HMV, the holding company was EMI.

      The US part of Columbia became CBS.

      Hence when Marconi wanted to divest the loss making domestic Radio and concentrate on Marine & Industrial, RCA (Sarnoff) encouraged him to licence Marconiphone name to EMI. Hence HMV and Marconiphone models in 1930s pretty much identical. Also why EMI and RCA collaborated on the Electronic TV. especially the camera, which defeated Farnsworth (his was inherently rubbish) and Baird, who at least came up with electronic film scanning, but otherwise didn't invent TV as his Mechincal TV was a Victorian era invention.

      Bairds film to TV system was used in Satellites before suitable CCD cameras. The film was developed and then slowly scanned and transmitted.

      1. Peter Simpson 1

        Re: *ahem*

        Tesla was all "I can do this, but it's so easy, I won't bother"

        Marconi was not only a scientist, he was a very perceptive entrepeneur who managed to build a business out of his discovery, defend it in court *and* make it pay. He should be celebrated for that. Someone would have "invented" radio sooner or later, but the man who made it pay was Marconi.

        Being a smart inventor is no use if you can't make a buck at it, which is something Marconi realised and Tesla (whether he realised it or not) was unable to accomplish.

    3. Mike VandeVelde
      Boffin

      Re: *ahem*

      "It sometimes happens, even in science, that one man can be right against the world. Professor Fessenden was that man. He fought bitterly and alone to prove his theories. It was he who insisted, against the stormy protests of every recognized authority, that what we now call radio was worked by continuous waves sent through the ether by the transmitting station as light waves are sent out by a flame. Marconi and others insisted that what was happening was a whiplash effect. The progress of radio was retarded a decade by this error. The whiplash theory passed gradually from the minds of men and was replaced by the continuous wave, with all too little credit to the man who had been right."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Fessenden

      1. Anna Logg

        Re: *ahem*

        Whilst we're doing forgotten heroes of wireless communication, J. C. Bose remains top of my list:-

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadish_Chandra_Bose

      2. ravenviz Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: *ahem*

        Marconi also goes largely uncredited with creating the first black box in or prior to 1896 (see figure).

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Headmaster

    Timeless wireless communication ...

    "January 1903 saw the first transmission from the US, from president Theodore Roosevelt to King Edward VI."

    That would have been quite an achievement, given that Edward VI was the son of Henry VIII, and lived 12 October 1537 – 6 July 1553. Presumably you mean Edward VII.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

      Hence the IT angle an; off by one error

      1. Tromos

        Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

        Not an error, in IT numbering often starts at zero.

        1. This post has been deleted by its author

          1. Anna Logg

            Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

            Speaking as an RF Hardware engineer who often ends up working on system debug, you wouldn't believe the number of misunderstandings this still causes. SW group enumerate the first physical transmitter in a radio system as TX0, HW group refer to it as TX1, and so on.

            I've yet to meet a human being who starts counting on their fingers at zero!

            1. Sir Runcible Spoon
              Trollface

              Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

              "Numbering always starts at zero"

              Except zero isn't actually a number, it's a baseline from which to start counting, or simply a symbol to represent the absence of an integer.

              1. Richard Taylor 2

                Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

                Or just a symbol? Forget absence it is there.

    2. Peter Simpson 1

      Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

      Willie, Willie, Harry, Stee,

      Harry, Dick, John, Harry three;

      One, two, three Neds, Richard two

      Harrys four, five, six... then who?

      Edwards four, five, Dick the bad,

      Harrys twain VII VIII and Ned the Lad;

      [g]Mary, Bessie, James the Vain,

      Charlie, Charlie, James again...

      William and Mary, Anna Gloria,

      Four Georges I II III IV, William and Victoria;

      Edward seven next, and then

      George the fifth in 1910;

      Ned the eighth soon abdicated

      Then George the sixth was coronated;

      After which Elizabeth

      And that's the end until her death.

      1. toxicdragon

        Re: Timeless wireless communication ...

        Have to say I prefer the horrible histories version

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fowKS6LPQUI

  5. MJI Silver badge

    I think I may have family involved

    A grand parent was there in the 30s I suppose he was part of the dismantling team.

    The nursing home next door is also sad for me, another grand parent died there.

    1. jeffdyer

      Re: I think I may have family involved

      Sorry to be a pedant, but the word is "grandparent".

      Once in a post is a forgivable typo, but twice? Careless.

      1. jeffdyer

        Re: I think I may have family involved

        Ok - so perhaps the poster did mean "grand parent". He must be pretty old though if his mother or father died in the 1930's.

        Good on them for still reading el Reg in what must be his '90s

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: I think I may have family involved

          @jeffdyer

          The thing with pedantry is that it can bite you in the arse.

          It should be "the 1930s" and "his 90s" (without apostrophes).

          Normally I wouldn't care, but he who lives in glass houses and all that.

          1. jeffdyer

            Re: I think I may have family involved

            Fair enough, but the usage is still commonplace.

            As opposed to the post that I was commenting on. Did he mean the parent of his parent, or one of his parents that was better than the other?

            Think of it in terms of mine being a (possible) syntax error which the compiler would pick up and his which was valid code but referring to the wrong object, possibly causing an airliner to fall out of the sky killing all the passengers.

            1. Dabooka
              Headmaster

              Re: I think I may have family involved

              @jeffdyer

              Doesn't matter, I suspect you got downvoted as you omitted the correct icon!

              1. jeffdyer
                Trollface

                Re: I think I may have family involved

                This one?

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: I think I may have family involved

        Not if he just meant that one of his parent's were grand .

        1. Sarah Balfour

          Re: I think I may have family involved

          Parents doesn't require an apostrophe, neither…

    2. MJI Silver badge

      Re: I think I may have family involved

      1 worked there in 1930s

      Another died near there in 1990s

    3. Steve 114

      Re: I think I may have family involved

      A grandfather-in-law (do-what?) was a young technician there, and once stole Marconi's sandwiches. Apparently Marconi was a difficult man to work for, but whether that was before or after he'd had his sandwiches stolen we are not told. PS: If the Italians weren't interested, why did Marconi spend so long on RM Carlo Alberto running experiments as a personal guest of the Italian King?

  6. smartypants

    Splendid ties

    It is high time that today's geeks reclaim the sartorial heights.

    Let's campaign for more marconian waistcoats and neckties and begin the decline of Jobsian turtle-neckery!

    1. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

      Re: Splendid ties

      I suspect that's more to do with the description "Italian radio pioneer".

      I still agree, though. The reverse-snobbery of the tech industry when it comes to personal appearance is depressing: reacting against the "corporate" suit-and-tie has just resulted in Technology becoming its mirror-image where anyone who looks after their appearance more than is "necessary" is judged to be shallow or incompetent.

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Splendid ties

        Not depressing, just bringing some of the UK stuffy working culture into line with the rest of the planet.

        The attire in the photo has more to do with the era, and the fact that he was posing for a photo (back then photos were a big deal).

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Re: Splendid ties

      People though found Marconi's English perfect (his mother and relatives). He was very much into dressing smartly. He made a big impression on people.

  7. jeffdyer

    I'm fairly sure the first radio transmission across water was from Lavernock Point in South Wales across to Somerset.

    There is a plaque on the church wall there and more importantly, to 1980's sixth formers anyway, the infamous Marconi Club which ran a pretty much underage drinking club masquerading as a disco.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavernock#Marconi_and_the_first_radio_messages_across_open_sea

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yup (ish). The first was to Flat Holm, and thus an all-Welsh affair. Then across to England.

      I guess that was the proof-of-concept, encouraging him to go on to do the long-distance stuff in Cornwall.

    2. Radio Wales
      FAIL

      A Welsh affair.

      Yes indeed. You're quite right. Marconi's early pioneering work of proving that he was chasing the possible was concentrated in south Wales just to the west of Cardiff at Lavernock Point.

      So really it was a Welsh affair which failed to get so much as a mention.

      Still, that's typical of our Cousin Jacks from across the water to try to grab all the glory.

      1. BongoJoe

        Re: A Welsh affair.

        Then there's David Hughes from Corwen who in 1879 was detecting spark signals.

        Go forwards three years to 1892 and William Preece, another Gogledd Cymreag was sending signals across from Cardiff to Holm Island before doing the same across the Conwy Valley.

        Then came Marconi.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    UKIP

    Bloody immigrants. Coming over here and stretching the bounds of science, creating world beating industries, winning Noble Prizes etc.

    1. Sarah Balfour

      Re: UKIP

      It's impossible for foreigners to win noble prizes; to get gonged, you have to be born British (I think). Did you, in fact, mean Nobel…?

      1. Tom 38

        Re: UKIP

        It's impossible for foreigners to win noble prizes; to get gonged, you have to be born British (I think).

        You are thinking of US presidents, we have no such limitations. Most of our nobility are French and we even let a funny little german guy come and be our King.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: UKIP

          What funny little german guy?

          As another "Obscure Balkan Subject" (quoting George Dimitrov @ the torching of the Reichstag trial), I consider this as a mortal insult. He is an _EX_ little german guy. His ancestry has ruled various Balkan countries (off the top of my head - Bulgaria, Greece, and principalities over the last two centuries for long enough to become one of us. It does not matter if they were called Batenberg or Glücksburg at the time - to the same effect.

          He has gone native and has remained so even after becoming "Mountbatten" instead of Batenberg or Gluksburg.

          Which makes listening to UKIP rants about Bulgarian and Romanians doubly funny by the way.

          1. albaleo

            Re: UKIP

            "What funny little german guy?"

            Hengist?

          2. Tom 38

            Re: UKIP

            I was thinking of Georg Ludwig, Elector of Hanover, but yeah, there is a long list.

  9. John Miles 1

    Visit the Cable and Wireless Telegraph museum as well

    Having made it all the way down to this lovely and remote part of England it's also worth seeing the fascinating Cable and Wireless Telegraph museum at Porthcurno on the Lands End peninsular. A superb collection of Telegraph instruments; a fusion of engineering and craftsman's work of art. For sea views try the unique and romantic Minack open air theatre high up on the nearby cliffs.

    1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

      Re: Visit the Cable and Wireless Telegraph museum as well

      There are also, on a clifftop near the Porthcurno museum, the remains of the concrete anchors used to stabilize a huge antenna put up by the (then) rival Eastern Telegraph Company to spy on Marconi's transmissions in the days before the "forced" merger in the 30s that formed C&W and brought together the two rival comms systems under one roof.

    2. Pedigree-Pete

      Re: Visit the Cable and Wireless Telegraph museum as well

      Realy, Cornwall is in England. You wouldn't think it talking to the locals.

  10. deshepherd

    For old school wired communication then go to nearby Porthcurno - see the hut there where the cables from all over the empire came ashore in the UK and there is an interesting museum there as well (plus non techies can go to see the Minnack theatre at the same time!)

    Also there used to be a visitor centre at Goonhilly to cover the wizzy new satelite comms which I remember occupying a wet day on a family holiday a few years ago but that subsequently closed.

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