Doctor Who trashing the TARDIS, Clara alone, useless UNIT – Death in Heaven

Re: Clara as The Doctor...

Or to summarise your somewhat lengthy but accurate post: "A load of old shit"

Re: Clara as The Doctor...

ditto, and as for the Christmas teaser - AvP meets a Pudsey special?

@graeme

Agreed.

In fact, it's not a completely unknown plot twist either since it has been done before. Season 2: Army of Ghosts / Doomsday. The head of operations of Torchwood gets converted, but is later seen killing other cybermen while ranting "I did my duty for queen and country".

Not just that, we even see something like a tear coming from her eyes. Talk about a situation which doesn't add up!

Which is basically my only gripe with this new season: the heavy re-use of plots which have already been done.

btw; the only reason I remember this is because of the interesting clash between the Daleks and Cybermen in that episode arch. Both species tried to invade earth yet unknown of the others presence. And it was as funny as it was dark:

Cyberman (talking to a Dalek): "You will identify first!".

Dalek: "Daleks do not take orders!"

Cyberman: "You have identified yourself Dalek..."

That was as brilliant as it was simple. But in comparison to all that I have to agree that this season is lacking.

Re: It pains me to say this (naaah)

Bollocks it was. Pay attention. He was last seen hesitating over the delete button. And his inhibitor isn't switched on. Don't know why they needed both but it's there before you

Whether he hit the delete button or not should be irrelevant since the Cybermen have never required their converts to agree to conversion and have always turned the inhibitor on.

In the past the inhibitor though was built into the Cyberman head directly attached to the human brain - this is the first time that I've ever seen controls for turning it on or off being attached to the front of the Cyberman. Why would the Cybermen want to make such controls accessible since an enemy could conceivably use those controls to turn the Cyberman's emotions on again ?

As others have mentioned other people converted have been able to rebel against the Cybermen but in those cases they did it despite the inhibitor operating.

So no I don't think it was really explained why his inhibitor was turned off.

Re: It pains me to say this (naaah)

Its that L word, saved the day plus...:)

Re: It pains me to say this (naaah)

@graeme "Bollocks it was. Pay attention...." Well its not though is it. Lets use some logic:

Danny sits pondering if he should delete his emotions (maybe a problem all wooden actors have had)

The cyber suit has a built in inhibitor anyway so as you say why was it even necessary to consider deleting his emotions before. BUT the question unanswered is WHY out of all the cyber suits was Danny the only one to have a suit that malfunctioned and not suppress his emotions regardless of pressing the button or not. Then when Clara activates the inhibitor why is Danny still in the only cyber suit that allows him to retain his emotions.

I think that this seasons scripts seemed very poor and that there are more holes than in a swiss cheese.

Re: What a wonderful finale...

So what you're saying is, more junk Dr. Who needed so Ms. Parnell can churn out more world class invective?

Suits me.

Yes and no

I thought the colour coding was to indicate she was shot by the Brigadier rather than the Dr.

I think you're right about the teleport though, killed just by getting shot doesn't really seem to fit with the whole regenerating timelord thing.

You sure about that? The colour coding was for a cyber gun which were blue in this episode, rather than master death ray red.

"Nor has it been explained what "missy" has to do with Clara being the impossible girl. It is explained why the Doctor and the current Clara were destined to meet - but not what that has to do with the previous 2 Clara's......"

Ah now, Missy had nothing to do with Clara's later jaunt into the Doctor's time stream. That was something that Clara herself decided to do on the spur of the moment in "Name of the Doctor". Whoever was the companion when they arrived on Trenzalore probably would have done the same and ended up split into the time stream. That was the reason for her appearing in the previous season, on the Dalek Asylum and Victorian London - they were two of her "rescue missions". It's a standard case of "timey-wimeyness" where cause and effect happen in the wrong order. Somebody does something in the future ("Name of the Doctor") and it affects the past ("Asylum" and "Snowmen"). Missy had nothing to do with that, and had no idea it would happen...and it didn't affect her plans anyway.

> how exactly - the digital dead minds can "feel" what happens to their physical bodies

> - providing of course that wasn't just a lie.

It was a lie. Presumably also used within the nethersphere to encourage people to press delete.

Re: I'm with Brid-Aine on this

I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt over the whole cyber-pollen thing, even though it's a blatant rip off of borg nanites, but I'm not having this conjuring up armour from thin air.

And why unlike Borg nanites would it only affect the dead ? Surely a much better plan would have been to have converted the living as well - hell if the nanites colonised the brain you could even get the living to search for pieces of metal to aid in their conversion.

Re: I'm with Brid-Aine on this

danny lying on a slab gets what 100lds of steel. cybertec power to run it all and fuel to fly. when ever the cybermen have upgraded people in the past they have had a a upgrade unit to put them in so now its done by magic not!!

Re: WOW

Steven Moffat.

Re: I missed the end!

Spoilers! I've not watched that yet (it's on my sky box though...) ;^D

Re: Osgood and Missy are not entirely "dead"

I thought the get out was that the missy being killed special effect was suspiciously similar to the missy teleporting special effect.

In other news UNIT now has a competent CO and he's bullet proof...

Re: Osgood and Missy are not entirely "dead"

"The get out is the Timelord tech. "Heaven", where the newly dead go. So obviously Osgood and Missy are in there (for now)."

Errr... no, because 'heaven' was a scam: a timelord hard drive which selectively uploaded dead people. All the views out of the window were part of the hoax. Missy hadn't got a city of dead people: She'd got 91.

Missy's get-out clause was the ray hitting her was blue, like the teleport ones. Although it came from a cyberman, so maybe I'm reading too much into that.

Osgood was killed in a fit of spitefully bad writing.

"Someone watched and reviewed in a hurry - so missed/forgot a few clues."

Not really. There is not really such a thing as a 'clue' in Who these days, because everything is so handwaved and badly written, then linked together so poorly that it's a chaotic mess. Plans and plots make entirely no sense.

Re: Osgood and Missy are not entirely "dead"

Osgood is dead - Moffat said so. he wanted to show Missy boiling the bunny.

Missing was left open in the same way that they always kill off the master, it simply doesn't matter