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Russia to ban iCloud.. to protect iPhone fiddlers' pics 'n' sh*t

Anonymous Coward

Seems like the USSR is on its way back only this time as a sort of right wing, homophobic, religious, command economy running a bit like a giant capitalist company that runs on gas.

I'm not sure that many Russians will be very happy about ever-decreasing international connectivity online.

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'right wing'?

"Seems like the USSR is on its way back only this time as a sort of right wing, homophobic, religious, command economy running a bit like a giant capitalist company that runs on gas."

Where I come from we call that 'Communism', not 'right wing'.

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Re: 'right wing'?

I think the right word is "Totalitarian"... Which can be on the left, or on the right.

I don't think there is a lot of communism left in the current Russia.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: 'right wing'?

to be completely fair, which isn't fashionable nowadays, they never actually claimed to be 'communist' in the Soviet Union, it was always 'aspiring to communism'

now most Russians that I know are 'aspire to shopping'

soz for this pedantic waffle, I'll go back to sleep.. oh, but on the iCloud f*ckf*est

http://www.fierceitsecurity.com/story/apple-fails-learn-icloud-security-lesson/2014-11-04

seems Yosemite silently & helpfully backs-up unsaved documents to who-knows-where

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Re: 'right wing'?

- nationalism

- cult of personality

- corporatism and power of business elite

- co-option of church and intertwining of religion with politics

- expansionist

- disdain for human rights

- identifying scapegoats

- control of mass media

- fraudulent elections

- obsession with national security

It's called fascism.

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Re: 'right wing'?

Oh, I forgot cultural conservatism, xenophobia, harking back to a mythical past, promoting traditional family values, sexism and homophobia.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: 'right wing'?

"...promoting traditional family values..."

Why you listed this, I'll never know. Not really combating your view on this (for I have no idea what it is), but today any family values are a step in the right direction, ANY! Spending Christmas with kids on mobiles, with apparently "modern" family values, is similar to waiting in a doctor's office...just waiting for a name call.

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Re: 'right wing'?

I listed it because it was a hallmark of fascist ideology. The 3 K's etc. Just because you share a value with a fascist it doesn't make you one, see Logic. The world is not black and white.

I do not put forward a viewpoint, other than that I remember my history lessons. What is fascism? What is modern Russia? Are there parallels?

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Anonymous Coward

Re: 'right wing'?

Well wasn't it Mussolini who analysed the essence of fascism to comment "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

now, where in the world can we see Corporate power & the States working hand-in-hand? true, that might also include Russia...but I think there are a few rather more experienced Corporatism/Fascism choices...

other scary quotes available here: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Fascism.html

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Re: 'right wing'?

ratox

Not sure there was much communism 50 years ago.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: 'right wing'?

It's called fascism.

I suggest you study the history of fascism before throwing around the term. There is a huge difference between Facism as it is defined, facism as it has been used in history, and fascism as the term is often used. It's an extremely left-leaning philosphy.

Remember, right-wingers want a weak central government so there can be weak corporate oversight and strong local governments (think states-rights). Left-wingers want a strong central government so there can be overbearing corporate oversight and weak local governments. Which is Russia?

Remember, Germany's National Socialism and Italy's Mussolini Fascism were both born from ultra-extreme liberalism.

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Re: 'right wing'?

So you post rubbish, firmly believe in your lies, and it becomes truth.

I would INDEED recommend that you study history to learn about fascism, because the Fox News propaganda that you spout is NOT history.

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Re: 'right wing'?

" but today any family values are a step in the right direction"

My family values are very different from yours, obviously. So why are yours "a step in the right direction"? What makes your values better than mine? Jeebus? The little childrens? You're the boss and the kinds should listen to you, damn it?

Pfffffft.

The only family value that matters is as follows: teach the next generation critical thinking.

That's it. It is the only thing that should be passed on. Let the next generation discover their own values and shape their own world.

We've fucked it up enough already as is.

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Re: 'right wing'?

I suggest you study the history of fascism before throwing around the term. There is a huge difference between Facism as it is defined, facism as it has been used in history, and fascism as the term is often used. It's an extremely left-leaning philosphy.

You are wrong.

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Vic

Re: 'right wing'?

The only family value that matters is as follows: teach the next generation critical thinking.

That's it. It is the only thing that should be passed on.

No. They also need self-discipline.

That way, they have a *choice* whether to confront something they see as wrong, or to go along with it for now and change it later.

Without the discipline, the freedom of choice is missing.

And now I'm starting to sound like Lister :-)

Vic.

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Anonymous Coward

They should vote to put someone else in charge then.

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Anonymous Coward

They probably did.....

Collectively, they can vote for whoever they want. The same man always wins.

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WTF?

They do. It's a one man/one vote democracy. Putin is the one man and he has the one vote.

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Does he also have a ban on mimes?

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Anonymous Coward

Re: They probably did.....

A bit like us then. You can vote for who the hell you like but the same elite is always in charge.

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Not a ban per se. Just hangs them upside down in a scorpion put with an upside down sign saying:

выучить слова

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Anonymous Coward

My fellow anonymous cowards....

Very wise of you. Wouldn't want to wake up to a polonium enema.

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Russia, the worlds new leader

Corporations don't respect their customers or those customer's data. Perhaps Russia is ahead of the curve on this one.

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Re: Russia, the worlds new leader

Depends if you trust the Russian government more than your average corporation I suppose.

Hmm, rock or hard place?

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Vic

Re: Russia, the worlds new leader

Depends if you trust the Russian government more than your average corporation I suppose.

But be honest - do you trust them any less?

Vic.

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This might be the one law coming out of Russia lately that i actually can understand.

Seeing that the US is more than happy enough with grabbing any data they can get hold of (and even trying to grab data from data centers in Ireland), the only safe thing is to keep it on-shore.

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Anonymous Coward

That does not help

Even if Apple, Google, F**book, etc build a datacenter or two in Russia according to current USA law and precedent Russian law (same as Eu law or any other non-USAian law for that matter) can suck a brick sidewize through a thin straw. USA law "overrides it" as far as USA courts and USA three letter agencies are concerned.

So effectively it is a full ban on doing business. It will be interesting to watch and see how this will be enforced (I suspect that because of the current sanctions tit-for-tat it will be enforced mercilessly and with gusto).

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I agree, but sadly I don't think it's his citizens' secrets that Putin's worried about. In fact, I think he'd rather like to know them himself.

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That rifle

It looks a lot like my old Webley Vulcan Mk1 .22 air rifle. Can anyone identify it?

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Re: That rifle

Could be a Steyr Mannlicher Luxus with the wooden sideplates, could be either the Halfstock or the Halfstock Magnum version.

Judging this based in the bolt handle shape,the way that the magasine is slightly visible from the side and also the positon/form of the sights.

No idea about the caliber, could be anything from a .243 up to a 9,3x62 or even a .375 H&H depending on the total length of that barrel. ( 600mm or 650mm)

[Quite a bit more expensive than the Webley, lol ]

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Re: That rifle

Could be a Steyr Mannlicher Luxus. No it cannot be. The man is taking the idea of "I use only local makes" quite seriously so there is no way for it to be a Steyr.

Out of the Russian models this looks like Мр 18 мн 223REM with the long barrel option, it is a made to order option by Izhevsk. Mid-price range (sans the optics).

By the way - I am not sure about the optics, that actually does not look indigenous - more like one of the Bulgarian models (they are quite good and sell to both NATO and Russia). As Russians do not generally consider Bulgaria to be "abroad" this may be the case (or it may be a Russian model I do not recognize).

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Re: That rifle

I can't find a reference to a Baikal 18 mh that is not a break action, (an express), rather than a bolt action rifle as we can see in the image ?

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Anonymous Coward

Re: That rifle

II can't find a reference to a Baikal 18 mh that is not a break action, (an express), rather than a bolt action rifle as we can see in the image ?

Neither can I, however the barrel shape is very characteristic and Izhevsk has been known to do custom weapons (in fact pieces of gunsmith art) especially for him.

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Re: That rifle

Could be a TOZ-122-10 ... http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/production/detail.php?ID=86&SECTION_ID=7

The scope looks somewhat like a Kahles, but I cannot imagine him using anything other than a Russian piece of kit in a publicity photo ... there are some Bulgarian scopes similar to the Kahles, could be one of those ..,

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Why is El Reg so keen on that photo? Does a man posing while not wearing a shirt automatically count as gay and/or porn to you lot? A topless man is a long way away from a nude selfie.

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Anonymous Coward

...It's just a typical propaganda picture of Putin?

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Anonymous Coward

The Register has long been known as an on-line lesbian magazine, so perhaps they're just trying to expand their audience to include gay males as well.

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I can't remember where I read it but I liked it .

"In Russia, it's the president that assassinates you."

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"The Register has long been known as an on-line lesbian magazine"

But, but, but… I only read The Reg for the the articles.

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Hang on, didn't the EU do exactly this?

I'm sure the EU Commission made up a law requiring all data on cloud services to be stored within the EU. It happened about 2 years ago, because I took out a Crashplan subscription to store all my data and it's based in the US, but when a friend tried to do the same thing 6 months later they couldn't offer the service because they didn't (at the time) have any EU-based data centres.

So it seems that one hoary old Communist is just following where another has already gone (Barroso was a member of the Communist party in his youth).

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Twinned with..

North Korea.

Likely the whole of Russia is heading to Siberian COventry. Tis more and more a heads down for everyone over there.

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Black Helicopters

Who said this?

"Although Russia is a country that is often criticised for its institutional homophobia, the decision is not connected to Tim Cook's announcement of his sexuality."

I'll bet dollars to Homer's doughnuts that someone in the Russian gubermint is using this as another reason to make life hard for Apple.

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Anonymous Coward

Russia and Russians can't be Homophobic

Didn't they let Elton John perform in their country, before the Berlin Wall came down, i think. If they let Mr John in, who by the way is 'Gayer than a bucket of Frogs', then there can be no doubt that Russia is at heart, a tollerant 'Gay Friendly' state, QED.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Russia and Russians can't be Homophobic

Indeed

The crackdown is not on gays, it is on Gay Public Events. The crackdown is solely because of the constant entanglement between LGBT, other human rights causes celebre and use by the West of Human Rights to advance its geopolitical agenda in the ex-Soviet Union.

Putin & Co have observed the script played elsewhere in Eastern Europe over the last 25 years and he is making sure that there is no way in hell that play can be staged in Russia. Anything and everything that has had something to do with one of the "revolutions" in Eastern Europe is banned or damage-limited using a very carefully crafted and fairly water-tight legal stranglehold.

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"all data generated within Russia to be stored within its borders."

I wonder how that will affect the webcam girl industry - which presumably contributes to the Russian economy.

All those girls (well, the Russian ones anyway) will be generating data in Russia from their cameras, but mostly, as far as I know, the servers holding snapshots and video clips recorded from those cameras are in the US and Europe.

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Thanks again El Reg

Considering the way that Vlad has felt once the news came out that Apple are the biggest perverters of small children and farmyard animals ever found on this planet -- "iFiddlers" now should be arrivng soon on RT news.

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Anonymous Coward

Follow on law to

Credit cart data anywhere in the world must end up on servers in Russia.

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Slx

The problem is that the NSA and GCHQ through their spying programmes have now given a whole load of regimes all over the world a very valid excuse to do some very bad things both in terms of snooping on their own citizens and restricting the flow of data beyond their borders for allegedly altruistic purposes, but in reality in some cases, particularly the likes of China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc, it will come down to a crack down on freedom of speech and spying on their own citizens.

The sad thing is that the big western intelligence agencies have basically given everyone else carte blanche by setting a precedent and then arrogantly pushing that notion that it's somehow OK to just override people's privacy and democratic rights on the basis of nanny-state protectionism.

These snooping organisations have also done the US IT industry a huge amount of damage by forcing it to be complicit in some of these spying systems through legislation.

Unfortunately, it's getting to the stage that you can't really trust IT equipment from anywhere anymore. If it's built in China, there's a risk, if it's using US designs/software or is from a US company, there's a risk, if your data's trafficking through the UK or even France there's a risk it's being tapped... the list is endless.

I can fully understand why you need to go after terrorists, pedophile rings, all sorts of organised crime and drug gangs and other terrible things, but there's an element of data-trawling just because we can and because the technology exists to do so.

The counter risk is that because there's no clear oversight over any of these agencies, you've no idea what's being read in terms of intellectual property, financial information, sensitive government communications that might give a state competitive advantage, personal emails that could be used to blackmail someone or sway political campaigns etc.

Also, where does national interest end? Many countries would see the success of their own businesses as in their national interest and legitimately so. Does that mean that it would be OK for a spy agency to provide information about competitor countries' commercial businesses for example? I'm not saying that the US necessarily does this, but there are many other countries where it's hard to know where the state begins and the corporate entities and businesses end and they run almost more like companies than countries, China in particular is a lot like this.

It's a total mess!

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Vic

If it's built in China, there's a risk, if it's using US designs/software or is from a US company, there's a risk

There is suspicion that Chinese kit is nobbled.

There is certainty that American kit is nobbled.

The suspicion above is largely based on statements from the people that ended up being the ones doing the nobbling.

It's not supposed to be this way round...

Vic.

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Sounds horrible for business, too.

Is anyone else thinking that this will stop any businesses based in Russia from using ANY SaaS or cloud vendor's services or storage if said services or storage reside outside the federation?! Not overly knowledgable about provision of these things in RU, but surely this will make it significantly more expensive for multinationals to operate in the country, not to mention preventing Russian businesses from being able to compete anywhere outside of Russia?!

Even if foreign firms remain in country, they'll have to hand data over as and when they're asked for it- to suspicious and corrupt Russian government officials who will likely then hand it over to their friends in Russian owned industry.

Not good.

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