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“Boys are only interested in pirates and Star Wars,” my daughter tells me. She is four and speaks with the confidence and clarity only a four-year-old can manage. Star Wars Thirty-seven years on, and the Star Wars franchise still captures kids' imaginations Her proof? The games played, toys brought in and the clothes worn …

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  1. Jacksonville

    Khan!!!!!!!

    I'm pretty sure the convention is "Khaaaaaaan!!!"

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      It bloody well is.

      1. Stevie

        Bah!

        Agree. Seven 'a's are the required number. One can use eight if one is William Shatner.

        1. BillG
          Gimp

          Re: Bah!

          Abrams will do for the Star Wars movies what he did for the Star Trek movies. They will be formula movies that, while entertaining to watch will add nothing endearing to the genre and certainly won't be worth seeing a second time.

    2. Mpeler
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Khan!!!!!!!

      Maybe it's because it's just marketing, in which case Abrams is just being a Khan!!!!!! artist....

      Paris is worried too....about Cannes.....

  2. Eponymous Cowherd
    Alien

    Fringe

    Let us not forget Abrams' "Fringe"

    Sort of like a less believable rip off of "The X Files" with his trade mark make-it-up-as-you-go convoluted subplots and unpleasant lead characters.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Yes, let's not

      Fringe was brilliant. Brilliant character development, and a relations story that actually brought something to the series and was not just tacked on as an afterthought once a thousand bored housewives had sent a petition to have some smooching (like in Bones, Castle, House, FBI Missing Persons, and just about all the others).

      Abrams has his name on Fringe ? I'm surprised, but I will accept it as the one good thing he did.

      Except for Season 5, that is. That season doesn't exist.

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Yes, let's not

        Season 5 was such an awesome idea and the teaser from season 4 built up my hopes greatly. Then I watched season 5 and it all went down hill from there. The worst part is that the actors gave a great performance as usual and the new supporting cast were good, even the observer actors with their highly restricted allowance of acting (no emotion, specified observer movements, etc) yet the story was aweful. Maybe this is the one Abrams got his hands on

        1. Sir Runcible Spoon

          Re: Yes, let's not

          I wonder just who could do it justice?

          Joss Whedon might prove interesting, but for sheer originality I'd like to see Tarantino do a Star Wars film.

          You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm.

          1. Tim Jenkins

            Re: Yes, let's not

            "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm"

            Han would have execute(d) every motherf*cking last one of (them), accompanied by The Shangri-Las singing 'Leader of the Pack"....

          2. Spoonsinger

            Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

            I very sure that Han shot first having seen it at the cinema at the time and also having the last unmolested pseudo widescreen VHS release in my possession.

            1. Sir Runcible Spoon

              Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

              "I very sure that Han shot first"

              I'd be surprised if you weren't sure, considering he did. My point was that I doubt Quentin would re-master a film to change a fundamental character aspect of one of the main protagonists.

              Imagine Beatrix waking up and just deciding to let bygones be bygones and go back to the Hick record store? Or El Prez deciding that he'd keep the treasure for himself?

              No, because I'm sure he has artistic integrity.

              Also, it's the flaws in things that give it character. Make everyone sacharine sweet and you're just turning out another Hollywood CGI turd.

              1. JEDIDIAH
                Devil

                Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

                Quentin is also not squeamish about violence and flawed characters.

                I wouldn't be surprised if Quentin has actually fired a real gun and can relate to having one pointed at him. There is nothing remotely sinister about defending yourself in that situation.

                1. Ian 55

                  Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

                  JJ Abrams: Well, on the plus side, MI:III is easily the best of the franchise. On the other, all the rest of his haven't been.

                  The problem with letting Tarantino near one would be his ego and the inevitable cameo: "What do you think, Jedi Quentin?"

                  I'd like to see one by Park Chan-wook or Kim Jee-woon. Stunning visually, and not afraid of revenge killing blood baths which is what (without the blood) the Star Wars films have been about.

                  1. Sir Runcible Spoon

                    Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

                    "The problem with letting Tarantino near one would be his ego and the inevitable cameo: "What do you think, Jedi Quentin?"

                    Whilst he obviously does give himself a part to play, it isn't usually a role that affects the movie too much, and he does bump himself off quite regularly too - keeps everyone happy :)

                  2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

                    Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

                    I'd like to see one by Park Chan-wook or Kim Jee-woon.

                    I'd like to see a Star Wars film by Stephen Chow. Obi-Wan flings hundreds of stormtroopers at Darth while undercranked Luke, Han, and Leia race through the corridors of the Death Star! Everyone meets in the hanger bay for a song & dance number. Then they join forces to fight the Emperor and his sidekick Super-Powered Jar-Jar, and their army of droids that don't fall apart when you blow up their ship.

                  3. jelabarre59

                    Re: "You could at least be sure that Han shot first with Quentin at the helm."

                    > Well, on the plus side, MI:III is easily the best of the franchise...

                    Remembering, though, that the Tom Cruise "Mission: Impossible" films have pretty much nothing to do with either incarnation of the TV series. If you want to see something more in spirit to the original M:I series, watch "Burn Notice" (at least the earlier BN seasons) or "Leverage".

          3. silent_count

            Re: Yes, let's not

            "I wonder just who could do it justice?"

            Guillermo del Toro. Take a look at Pan's Labyrinth (2006) and tell me del Toro couldn't blow the doors light sabers off a Star Wars flick.

            1. Sir Runcible Spoon

              Re: Yes, let's not

              Pan's Labyrinth is a superbly imagined film, but it is quite arty don't you think? Not exactly swash-buckling (which is a good thing for Pan's Labyrinth, not so much for Star Wars)

              1. venneford

                Re: Yes, let's not

                His other credits: Pacific Rim, Hellboy, Blade II.

                He has range.

                Abrams is a better producer than director or writer.

          4. Robert Grant

            Re: Yes, let's not

            Joss Whedon would've been my pick.

          5. Carrot_mop

            Re: Yes, let's not

            The Artoo will have a real reason to have every word bleeped out.

    2. Psyx

      Re: Fringe

      "make-it-up-as-you-go convoluted subplots"

      Ah yes, the whole 'this is clever, because we're telling you how clever it is, but really we're writing as-we-go with no clear vision and paper-thin logic.

      Which kept Lost fascinating the stupid people for several years.

      1. NogginTheNog
        Thumb Down

        Re: Lost

        An episode and a half in I *knew* it was going to be bloody annoying, and never watched more than about 10 minutes of it again.

      2. Naughtyhorse

        Re: Fringe

        "Ah yes, the whole 'this is clever, because we're telling you how clever it is, but really we're writing as-we-go with no clear vision and paper-thin logic."

        don't knock it! Agatha Christie made a career out of it!

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Fringe

        Yes that's right I'm stupid. Thanks for telling me, I'd never have known if it wasn't for you.

        1. rciafardone

          Re: Fringe

          Dont fell bad about it, that's the way of stupid people, you have to tell them everything.

    3. Afflicted.John

      Re: Fringe

      Fringe was one of the best depictions of the whole gamut of science fiction ever conceived. You clearly are an idiot.

      Having said that, Fringe was as much Kurtzman and Orci as Abrahams so maybe it should stay out of the list. But don't diss Fringe.

      Keep calm and listen to Walter.

      1. Afflicted.John

        Re: Fringe

        And just for the damn record, did anyone watch the final series of Fringe and not wish to the Gods of Kobol that there was another? It was absolutely amazing. The final scene were genius, bringing a neat conclusion to a pretty damn epic storyline. It more than made up for the lack of Peter Bishop a couple of years earlier...

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Fringe

      Fringe == sci-fi for morons.

      Plots so thin they're invisible. :(

  3. GreggS

    Not just his films but his TV series as well!

    Believe (executive producer)- Cancelled after 1 series

    Almost Human (executive producer)- Cancelled after 1 series

    Person of Interest (executive producer) still going but getting very samey.

    Fringe (executive producer) - Lost the plot in the later series.

    Alcatraz (executive producer) - cancelled after 1 series

    Undercovers (executive producer) - cancelled after 1 series

    Lost (executive producer) - lasted 5 series too long

    In fact probably the last good thing he did was Alias and that lasted 2 series too long.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

      Getting cancelled after the first series is hardly indicative of anything though. Great and awful shows get axed with impunity.

      And Lost had 3 good series.

      1. rciafardone

        Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

        Mmm. i assume you Brits mean SEASON when you say SERIES. Whats your word for series? Show?

    2. Psyx

      Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

      Getting cancelled has little to do with a show's worthiness.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

        Firefly! We loved you.....*sob*

      2. Mage Silver badge

        Re: Getting cancelled has little to do with a show's worthiness.

        Usually ...

      3. Soruk

        Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

        Stargate:Universe

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

      Cancellations that have affected me personally.

      Firefly 1 season. Nothing has filled this hole :(

      Caprica 1 season. Polarising, but I loved it.

      True detective 1 season, ended too quickly,

      yes I know its coming back but it won't be the same.

    4. Neil Stansbury

      Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

      Err one word:

      Revolution

      The post-apocalyptic world without electricity, where the woman had great hair, impeccable makeup and neatly ironed white t-shirts with some awful acting and dire story lines thrown in for free.

      Cancelled after 2 series

      JJ Abrams is proof you don't need talent to succeed in Hollywood

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

        And great dentistry. Don't forget the amazing dentistry.

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Not just his films but his TV series as well!

        Revolution

        The post-apocalyptic world without electricity, where the woman had great hair, impeccable makeup and neatly ironed white t-shirts with some awful acting and dire story lines thrown in for free.

        Agreed. I watched the first few episodes of Revolution, and it lacked any bit of verisimilitude. It made Alias and Fringe look plausible.

        I assume that after the power went out, someone went around and killed everyone with any knowledge of pre-electrification technology - the survivalists, the reenactors, the primitive-camping enthusiasts, the subsistence farmers, many of the people who grew up on reservations... Because clearly no one in the show had the slightest clue.

        (And, yes, for the sake of argument I'm overlooking the favorite complaint about the show's rather choosy "stop electricity" magic, which somehow only affects deliberate technological use. I'll overlook a whoppingly inconsistent magic premise if the world-building is a little convincing.)

  4. corcoran

    If we're really lucky, Roberto Orci Alex Kurtzman & Damon Lindelof will take over writing and let JJ crack on with blinding us with lens flares and horizontal wipes.

    Course we're all gonna watching from behind the sofa with rock bottom expectations anyhow -- what's the worst that could meesa happen?

    1. 404
      Devil

      Amongst the worst...

      An Ewok Jedi....

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Amongst the worst...

        "An Ewok Jedi...."

        Apprenticed to a Gungan Master:

        "Yousa gotta be a-mindful of yousa feelins' and stuff..."

        Reaching for a blaster....

      2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: Amongst the worst...

        What could be worse? Hmm... That gives me an idea for the plot:

        Sick of being marginalised, ignored and despised - but equally disgusted with democracy and the Jedi, for failing to save the Republic - he turns to the Dark Side. In training during the period of the Rebellion, when Vader and the Emperor were in power, he missed most of the defeat. But he emerges now, to revitalise the Sith, and provie a counterbalance to the new government, who have become arrogant and corrupt - as so many revolutions do. Who is this?

        Cower in fear before: Darth Jar-Jar!

        Possibly with his new army of Ewok storm troopers, for extra comedy value.

        1. Robert Grant

          Re: Amongst the worst...

          I'd prefer Darth-Darth Binks

          1. jai

            Re: Amongst the worst...

            "An Ewok Jedi...."

            That's not a million miles away from Yoda, you realise?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Amongst the worst...

              ""An Ewok Jedi...." That's not a million miles away from Yoda, you realise?"

              Dare, how do you! Take, that back... you will!

              He's not the voice for my SatNav, luckily.

        2. MityDK

          Re: Amongst the worst...

          I hate all of you. Ewoks and Jar-Jar were only surpassed in their terrible awful out of placedness, uselessness and badness by the collective performance of the young Anakin, I thought that kid in Episode one was the worst actor with the worst lines ever until I saw episode 2 and 3, in which Hayden Christensen made me simultaneously cry and homicidally angry with the sheer vast ineptitude of his performance, quite possibly the worst acting work of a bad script ever executed by anyone in every possible instance of the multiverse from forever to eternity.

          JJ Abrams can't possibly do worse than Lucas in Episodes 1-3. DOUBLE PLUS UNPOSSIBLE.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Amongst the worst...

        Shave an Ewok and you get Yoda. Product placement for Gilette - Star Wars Edition with 20 blades and a little blue light that does something.

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