Go girl ......
This story is the epitome of what I think about the Anonymous spawn of 4chan. It is nice just for once to see somebody fight back against their attempts at censorship.
I for one take my hat off to Nina.
Webcam stripper strikes back at vicious 4Chan trolls after year of bullying
A webcam stripper has hit back at creepy trolls who subjected her to a sick year-long campaign of online abuse that made her cry on camera. Nina Jaymes, 40, offers sweaty-palmed keyboard bashers the opportunity to pay her money to watch her disrobe on screen. But the message board she uses to chat with her clients on her …
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Thursday 8th August 2013 16:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Go girl ......
@Titus - >"This story is the epitome of what I think about the Anonymous spawn of 4chan. It is nice just for once to see somebody fight back against their attempts at censorship."
There's not a single one of them that would have the simple courage to stand up publicly and make any of their statements without the apparent mask of anonymity. These activities are sub-human.
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Friday 9th August 2013 07:02 GMT Amorous Cowherder
Re: Go girl ......
I think the whole sorry episode is just a another pathetic example of people being famous for nothing. 4Chan gets more (in)famous than before, this women gets famous, the trolls that dwell in the more dank areas of the internet get famous. All a bunch of fecking parasites scratching an existence of the backs of each other!
4Chan needs scum, the scum need a target, this women is obviously reveling in the infamy of winding up the scum and getting some mild noteriety from it all else she would have what most sensible people would have done, told them where to get off and then buggered off to do something a little more worthwhile than wasting time with internet trolls who's collective IQ probably barely scratch double digits.
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Friday 9th August 2013 08:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Go girl ......
You're so fucking full of shit. This woman is stripping on camera to make money instead of actually going out and finding a fucking job to support herself and her son. People all rally behind this woman because she sheds a few tears over WORDS ON THE INTERNET. She isn't crying because of what Anonymous trolls are doing to her... she's crying BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF HER OWN LIFE. Everyone is so eager to sit around and act like the trolls are the cause of this woman's sorrow... but the reality is that her LIFE is the cause of her own sorrow. But instead of taking a cold hard look in the mirror she will play the victim and not change ANYTHING about her life. She has a son, and yet she sits there talking about how God has given her NO ONE TO LOVE? Doesn't that just scream out "I'm a selfish parent." to you? She sits there on webcam stripping for the internet while scolding her son who is RIGHT NEXT TO HER... WHILE SHE STRIPS. Where is the outrage for the boy and his future?
Do you want to know where the outrage is? It's coming from Anonymous in the form of trolling. This woman's son will BE Anonymous in his future... all because he was abandoned and ignored by society in favor of defending his pathetic excuse for a mother. Seems that we live in a time where NO ONE in the mainstream wants to speak out about the future generations and the horrific state they are in. NO ONE in the mainstream media wants to point out just how systemically fucked the young generations are.
So instead we end up with people doing it Anonymously. Sure, the Anonymous hordes are often very offensive and aggressive... but SOCIETY has driven them to that point! Far too many people are completely ignorant of the GOOD that Anonymous does because mainstream media won't cover it. They want to label them as edgy pre-teen trolls in order to discredit them. The reality is that they are straight white males in their 20s who are looking for a place where they fit in since society has so clearly rejected them.
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Friday 9th August 2013 10:01 GMT DragonLord
Re: Go girl ......
@anonymous angry guy.
What do you know about her life beyond this article? My guess would be nothing. Yet like so many other people you are willing to demonise her life choices without even considering why she may have made them or why they may seem to be the best ones she can make. Is the naked human body really so abominable that we can't accept that some people may think that using it is the best way for them to make money? And who knows, maybe she's a single Mum and she sees this as the best way to make enough money to pay the bills and give her enough time in the day to bring up her son correctly. So, if for working 2-3 hours a day (after her son's supposed to be in bed), she earns enough to pay all the bills and have enough left over for some luxuries. Doesn't that make it a no brainier, after all, what other job can you think of where you can work from home and earn that sort of money with very little in the way of qualifications?
And then people come along and pick on her, bullying her through her business channel and try to drive her off air? Who are the selfish people? The ones trying to force her into their ideal of a work life balance or the one who's trying to make ends meet with the skills and abilities she has while bringing up a child at home?
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Friday 9th August 2013 13:40 GMT Tom 13
Re: That's all we need to know about you.
There can be honor in being an anonymous coward. There isn't in his post. In his case I think El Reg's monitors should be allowed to change his tag from "Anonymous Coward" to "4Chan Coward."
There is some truth in what he says, but it is overwhelmed by his negativity and nihilism. Yes the woman probably ought to step back and examine her life. If her job is frequently causing her to breakdown in tears she should probably look for another job. If she is seeking God's love she should probably take some time to think about why she isn't feeling it. God does love her enough that he sent his only begotten Son to die on a tree for her sins. His sacrifice is big enough for all of us, but he would have done it for her alone. If you don't see it/feel it, there's something blocking it. As far as I've been able to determine, that something is always in ourselves, because we're the only ones to whom he allows that choice.
If on the other hand it's all an act because it brings in more money, that's her choice too.
Whatever choices we make, consequences follow from them. For good or for bad, to life or to death.
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Friday 9th August 2013 23:15 GMT Mr.Mischief
Re: Go girl ......
Aww.. look at that. Anonymous Coward is angry.. Here... have a downvote.
I'm guessing that after all the porn you watch on your computer, you secretly hate the liberated people out there, while you sit in your little closet and spank your monkey.
Perhaps one day you will move out of your house and won't have to hear how touching yourself makes you a worthless, depraved, sinner like your parents tell you you are.
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Friday 9th August 2013 08:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Go girl ......
This post is soaked with ignorance.
The people who are targeted are generally targeted BECAUSE they fight back, BECAUSE they have emotional outbursts. The goal of these people is to get their victims to do these things. Why? Because it's what they find amusing.
If what you want is for them to stop then it's the worst possible thing you can do in her situation.
And the bit about censorship? What is this I don't even? If anything 4channers are rabidly against censorship.
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Thursday 8th August 2013 13:46 GMT oddie
A troll is a troll is no longer a troll
After spendng the last few weeks being annoyed at various media channels that have no idea what anything 'internet' related means and proudly declaring trolling to be internet bullying (or vica verca?) I think the battle has been lost and the general ignorance that once moved 'hacking' from someone who plays with technology to someone who breaks into websites have now also changed the meaning of 'trolling'.
Still, at least I can find solace that I live in a world, where, for a few weeks before the meaning of the word was actually changed to accomodate the miss-information; the urban dictionary was more factually accurate than the BBC.
Don't feed the bullies?
This Tangend brought to you by someone who does of course feel sorry for the woman who was the target of these cyber-bullies and their unacceptable behaviour.. sorry.. trolls.
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Friday 9th August 2013 07:02 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: A troll is a troll is no longer a troll
It's a shame when the auhtor has to define the word troll to fit in with the article. These people are not trolls, they are cyber-bullies. Insecure, faceless twonks who wouldn't have the intelligence to write a good troll.
There already was a perfectly good name for these kind of comments, flames. However it doesn't quite sound as sexy as troll so the media has found fit to hijack another word. It seems that public opinion will win the day and we'll have to find a new word for the true meaning of troll.
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Friday 9th August 2013 07:05 GMT veti
Re: A troll is a troll is no longer a troll
I agree. 'Troll' is a formerly useful word for a skilled, if somewhat sick, form of online sport that's now been lost to us.
From the jargon file:
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.
The best 'troll' postings are those that look as if they're on topic, and don't contain a single rude word or personal insult against anyone. What they do is rile up a segment of the readership so much that they just can't help but reply in a predictable, usually angry, way.
Much like this whole story, in fact...
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Friday 9th August 2013 07:07 GMT Anonymous Coward
Please do not be selective...
...El Reg writers constantly incorrectly use hacker. Some of you use it correctly, however. Why not include links to jargon, or have all your writers get educated about your audience and learn to use the terms correctly. Please do ignore the main stream media. Most (hopefully) of your readers are not infatuated with it.
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Friday 9th August 2013 11:17 GMT Annihilator
"do read the bootnote"
While the bootnote is there, this is the equivalent of the Mail et al running stories of MMR causing autism with a couple of lines at the end of the article saying "some other scientists dispute this". Yes you've covered your arse in the interest of faux "balance", but you're supporting the wrong message.
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Friday 9th August 2013 13:40 GMT Tom 13
@ gazthejourno
While DAM does deserve some downvotes for his specific corrective action, he does have a point, "troll" =/= "bully" and in fact a skilled troll actually can't engage in bullying. As I learned the term a skilled troll starts a flame war with a single post and never replies thereafter. Particularly on a tech site we should work to defend the use of our words, not excuse them with bootnote definitions. It's a bit like a legislative body passing a law saying pi is 3.14 exactly.
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Friday 9th August 2013 07:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: My heart bleeds
"The Internet giveth abuse and the Internet taketh away happiness and self worth."
Which is why I do not feel sorry for her. She's old enough. And kid who killed herself, I feel like that's wrong and bad, but people do that for all sorts of reasons, like bad grades or break ups.
All of you commenting on here, condemning the bullies, are really saying that you think the Internet is a social forum. You are the problem. You sound like the bunch of n00bs that are ever increasingly flocking to the Interwebs - clueless and programmed by TV. Human's do not need more of this social technology. Us regular folk who know this should be talking about it especially with our children.
I hope you all cry yourselves to sleep and thinking about what a bunch of reactionary pussies you are. HHOS.
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Thursday 8th August 2013 16:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: My heart bleeds
You know, dear AC, Anonymous is something of a fickle beast. More interestingly the hivemind is a little less unified than one might think. Some significant fraction of it still contains moralfags; perhaps some consideration of verbiage is prudent when you tread upon the corners of the internet where they hold sway.
The only thing the hivemind fears is itself; and the hivemind has always been at war with itself. Sympathy? Compassion? I think you'll find them more in place here than on 4chan. Perhaps a dollop of each is called for when posting to a site where, really, you aren't all that Anonymous at all.
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Friday 9th August 2013 08:30 GMT dan1980
Re: My heart bleeds
The post suggesting "the internet" gives and takes is both inaccurate and also strangely accurate.
It's inaccurate because the 'Internet' isn't responsible for this - PEOPLE are.
On the other hand, it's kind of correct for exactly the same reason.
Being a stripper before (or without) the Internet, you have a certain potential audience dictated primarily by location. Being a stripper on the Internet, however, you remove that barrier and expose yourself to a much larger pool of potential customers.
From another angle, however, being a stripper in a real strip-club, you have vile jerks hassling you. Being a stripper on the Internet, you have still have vile jerks hassling you but, again, you now have a much larger pool.
Essentially, the very reason the Internet offers an attractive 'venue' for stripping is at least partially the cause of any increased unpleasantness as well - a larger pool of people.
You might say: "yes, but the anonymity of the Internet encourages these people". And I would say that you are exactly correct. Yes, the anonymous nature of the Internet does allow more people to be worse and more forward with their insults and harsh behaviour than they would be in person but it also allows a lot more potential customers for our stripper - people who might worry what others would think, or who are too shy to go to a strip club.
None of that makes any of this 'okay', I guess I was just exploring the poster's comment.
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Thursday 8th August 2013 13:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Nothing new
/b/* has been trolling camwhore sites for years. Most of the girls give as good as they get but there's always one that will crack, and that's what keeps the trolls in the hunt.
* Some very intelligent and insightful discussion goes on certain boards at 4chan, the author has made the usual confusion between 4chan as a whole and it's cess pit known as /b/
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Thursday 8th August 2013 13:45 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nothing new
Now you are just splitting hairs, 4 chan host /b/ as part of their site so they can take the blame.
Anonymous occasionally come out and do good things such as campaigning for our freedoms, however sick trolling and bullying like this will only promote efforts to remove anonymity from the internet damaging their own cause.
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Thursday 8th August 2013 14:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nothing new
No it isn't splitting hairs, by saying 4chan is responsible suggests that the users of the dozens of other imageboards on the site are somehow responsible when they're not. Secondly, the 4chan site is an anonymous imageboard where posts can last as little as 10 minutes before they disappear forever. They try to police the site but at the end of the day they're no more responsible for their users than BT would be if I received a malicious phone call.
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Thursday 8th August 2013 16:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nothing new
The way I would look at it is if you receive a malicious phone call you can approach the Police and report the call. As I know from experience BT will take responsibility in that they will provide the Police with the details of the caller and also block that number from calling you again. The Police will, and in the case I dealt with successfully, attempt to apprehend the malicious caller,
So if you are saying that 4chan is a legitimate site, and not to be labelled 'en masse' as a cess pit, what responsibility do they take in these circumstances?
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Thursday 8th August 2013 16:24 GMT Trevor_Pott
Re: Nothing new
You can't police a *chan. That's as impossible as attempting to ruin a *chan. (Pissing into an ocean of piss right there, sir.) Also, by definition, *chan sites simply don't make any attempt to take ownership of responsibility for anything on those sites. Every now and again Moot tries something stupid...and how well does that work out for him?
You can not make the hivemind do what you want. You cannot impose morals on the hivemind. The hivemind is not your Personal Army. Attempting to tell the hivemind what it can and can not do will ultimately end up in a pile of internet so fierce you'd look at the idiocy visited upon the poor dear in this article as a polite bit of summer conversation.
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