Goddam!!
Second Higgs possibility pops up in CERN data
Isn’t that just typical? Science waits half a century for a Higgs boson, and when it arrives, just like a bus, a second one is right behind. That’s the tantalising prospect raised by the most recent release of data from the Large Hadron Collider scientists, who had barely finished celebrating after confirming that they’d …
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Monday 17th December 2012 11:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nearly there
Might be the case.
I personaly don't elieve we will fully know the higgs boson until we can properly define gravity and by that explain why it is weaker than it is.
For all we know there are many more, some could be created into another universe(s), we just don't know and with that you may well get your 40 or 42, I'm going to pick 13 as this is becomming a lottery :).
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Monday 17th December 2012 04:58 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Funny you should mention 'pantheon'
Ooooo there is the heavenly host, in the Old Testament's book of Genius's - so that means there is a lot of gods there.
There are the 5000 semi, demi and gods in the bardo states.
Everyone one of use that the word of god has been given too, is a god, so about 3 billion people have a giddymans bible (or Mao's little red book will do - thus making it about 4 billion people).
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ooooooo that is an awful lot of god particles.
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Monday 17th December 2012 09:23 GMT Destroy All Monsters
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON INCREASING STANDARD DEVIATIONS (away from the null hypothesis)
> This peak is a single Higgs.
Most quite likely on a likelihood scale of 0..1
After discussion plots, Tommaso Dorigo of the CMS collaboration has this to say:
So, to answer the question one idea is of course that some miscalibration systematics are affecting either or both mass measurements in ATLAS. However, I am sure this has been beaten down to death by the experimenters before making public the present results.
Another idea is that the gamma-gamma signal contains some unexpected background which somehow shifts the best-fit mass to higher values, also contributing to the anomalously high signal rate. However, this also does not hold much water - if you look at the various mass histograms produced by ATLAS (there is a bunch here) you do not see anything striking as suspicious in the background distributions.
Then there is the possibility of a statistical fluctuation. I think this is the most likely explanation, and I am willing to bet $100 with as many as five takers that the two measurements will be reconciled with each other once more statistics is added, and that no observation of a double state will be made. This however might take three years to sort out, given the impending shutdown of the LHC.
Finally, you might instead want to believe that we are indeed looking at the first hint of new physics -Supersymmetry or some other model producing multiple Higgs-like particles. Very exciting, but I just do not buy that.
Time will tell! So if you have some extra cash to throw away consider taking the bet...
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Monday 17th December 2012 09:30 GMT Destroy All Monsters
Re: Time out a second...
The particle has rest mass, yes. 140 GeV/c², was it?
In this universe, any operation conserves the quantity mass energy, not the quantity rest mass. Transformations between energy and rest mass are scaled according E=mc²
So you can have the rest mass of 140 GeV/c² going away as long as the 0-rest-mass-photons coming out of your operations have a total energy of 140 GeV/c²
This is how matter/antimatter annihilation can happen.
Big Brother because Big Mass.