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We are sure our readers have been enjoying NASA's footage of the SpaceX Falcon 9 launch to the ISS earlier today, but amid the excitement, you may have missed another historic moment for the US space programme. Listen carefully... That's right, at around 1:10, a mission control operative explains: "Altitude 5.3 kilometres, …

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  1. Mike 140
    Headmaster

    the civilised world of SI

    It's been a pleasant 295 Kelvins today.

    1. DN4
      WTF?

      Re: the civilised world of SI

      It's been a pleasant 71.33 degrees of Fahrenheit today.

      Is that tropical heat or blistering cold? Have no idea.

      1. Jan 0 Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: the civilised world of SI

        I have little idea of what 71.33 degrees Fahrenheit feels like*. It's as alien to me as 71.33 degrees Rankine, Réaumur or Rømer. Kelvin at least has a sensible anchor for 0 degrees, but I can't see any justification for the intervals used. Why is the degree Kelvin a primary unit? Couldn't we define temperature in terms of something like the thermal energy in a Mole of Hydrogen?

        *Ok, I know that it's colder than my body at 98.4 F and warmer than the best freezing mixture I could make (0 F).

        Coat, in case 71.33 F is chilly.

      2. Toggi3
        Boffin

        Re: the civilised world of SI

        71.33 F is pleasant room temp, fyi.

        1. DN4

          Re: the civilised world of SI

          Well, I got the number by converting 295 K using units(1) so I actually know what temperature 71.33 F means. But without that I'd be quite lost.

    2. Bob Armstrong

      Re: the civilised world of SI

      The CO2 global warming scam would have a harder time if people knew the total change in measured mean temperature since before the industrial revolution has been from about 288 to 288.8 .

  2. Darryl

    Good luck with that

    In most of the US, the Metric system is still seen as some kind of commie plot.

    1. Stevie

      Re: Good luck with that

      That's "cheese-scarfing surrender monkey trick".

    2. laird cummings

      Re: Good luck with that

      Never mind the jingoism... There's the entrenched tail of legacy systems and social inertia. Not so much that them dang Yuro-peeans use it, but more along the line of "why should I have to re-learn how to measure things? The old system works just fine for me." Add to that the "well have to replace everything issue." There's an entire infrastructure that will need re-working - from our road sinage (and there's a LOT of that!) to machining and tools, down to the very fasteners we use.

      That's a huge undertaking, and there frankly isn't much political will for it.

      The Metric System (which most of us frankly *can* use quite well, when pressed) will simply have to continue its slow infiltration.

      1. James Micallef Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: Good luck with that

        In many cases there's no practical purpose for changing anything, it's all cost and zero or minimum benefit. For example why go through the effort of (a) changing every single road speed limit sign in the US from miles to km (b) changing all US-made vehicle speedometers to show km/h, considering there are probably a huge number of US-made cars that have speedos only in mph and not in km/h (c) getting people used to the new system, especially since an old "50" will become a new "80", ie there will be a tendency for people to overspeed considerably if they misinterpret the sign.

        The result will be a spike in speed-related accidents for a few years, which will gradually return to baseline (ie no improvement over pre-change that can be attributed to the change). It will be the same for volumes and weights of groceries etc. where there is a huge volume of things to be measured, and the measure only really matters within the US.

        The only things that would benefit conversion to SI units are units used internationally, on a relatively small scale, and calculation-intensive metrics that would benefit having things divide neatly into tens and thousands rather than twelfths and sixteenths. So things like the space program, civil aviation, heavy industrial engineering

    3. MrT
      Thumb Up

      Re: Good luck with that

      Small steps - notice they still quoted the downrange as a fraction... ;-)

      1. S4qFBxkFFg

        Re: Good luck with that

        At least it wasn't in twelfths.

    4. Mage Silver badge

      Re: Good luck with that

      Commie Plot, Curious they think that, seeing as as the French invented it over 100 years before Communism and the French supplied the Statue of Liberty and helped them against the English in the War of Independence. Odd.

      1. Jeff from California
        Holmes

        Re: Good luck with that

        Mage, they've spent the last almost 40 years dismantling what had been one of the finest education systems in human history and replacing it with creationism, gossip, No Child Left Behind, and the Kardashians. (You may quibble about which of the four is more devastating to young intellects.)

        As an American, I would be very surprised if there was any large-scale social, political or philosophical leadership coming out of the midsection of the North American continent for some years, if not decades. We're falling into the abyss of our very own Cultural Revolution, and we haven't yet even conceived of a 'bottom', let alone come within a parsec of hitting it. Things will get unfathomably worse before they start getting better, which is one reason why I'm no longer physically there.

    5. G2
      FAIL

      Re: Good luck with that

      well, to give my point of view, from Eastern Europe, (and maybe for most of the rest of the world) here the US is mostly viewed as a redneck country with the border rednecks willing to almost rape and anal probe you if you dare to visit and WILL kick arrest and deport you even for posting twitter jokes (TSA checkpoints). The USA's new logo for promoting tourism is: "Come and visit the USA, strip for the TSA!"

      1. Yag
        Coffee/keyboard

        "Come and visit the USA, strip for the TSA!"

        And here goes my cup of Earl Grey...

      2. elderlybloke
        Pint

        Re: Good luck with that

        What the fuck does TSA mean?

        Down here in the South Pacific on dream time I haven't a clue.

        Those DamnYankees with their 3 alpha codes

    6. Levente Szileszky
      Trollface

      Re: Good luck with that

      Provided "most of us" = "people over 60 with no engineering or scientific background"

    7. Torben Mogensen

      Re: Good luck with that

      "In most of the US, the Metric system is still seen as some kind of commie plot."

      Or even as ungodly. "If inches and feet were good enough for Jesus, they are good enough for us!"

      1. mhenriday
        Boffin

        Jesus ? Do US feet and inches really go back that far ?

        I had understood that the English measure used in the US dates from the end of the 13th century, but that John Wayne and «the West was won with/in/by feet and inches» had settled the matter for all time in the good old US of A ! But then again, John Wayne was probably a Jesus avatar - or was it the other way 'round ?...

        Henri

    8. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good luck with that

      "In most of the US, the Metric system is still seen as some kind of commie plot."

      Yet I suppose the very same people don't have a problem with the fact there are 100 cents in a dollar.

  3. Steve Evans

    "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

    Worse than that, they haven't twigged the simplicity of the metric system allows them to just move the decimal point and make that 6 hundred meters.

    1. Bill Neal

      Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

      the simplicity of the metric system allows you to show 1/3 of a meter as 0.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333... and so on. The metric/decimal system hates those pesky thirds.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Bill Neal - Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

        Do you really believe that 1/3 of an inch has less decimals ? Prove it and I'll convert to US system on the spot.

      2. Ronny Cook

        Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

        The amazing thing is that you can, if needed, still describe a third of a metre as a third of a metre.

        Or you can give it as a decimal, then convert to metres / kilometres / centimetres / millimetres / ... by shifting the decimal point around.

        By the way, for those in yankeeland fishing for a short way to say "kilometre", everybody I know measures both distance and speed in "kay" (so 60k can be 60km or 60kph, depending on context) and weight in "kilos" or "grams".

        1. Michael Dunn

          Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

          Not to mention salaries.

          Anyway, the US doesn't seem to have any difficulties with using 'K' for memory capacity, as in "Who could ever want more that 640K?" to quote a famous college drop-out.

        2. Spikehead

          Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

          The most common abbreviation for km is Klicks. So they could have referred to the distance as "Point 6 of a klick" downrange..

          1. Rob Carriere

            Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

            Ah, but is that an Olympic-sized klick?

      3. PT

        Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

        I show a third of a meter as "about a foot", or "thirteen inches" if I need more accuracy.

    2. Levente Szileszky
      Thumb Up

      Re: "even if "six-tenths of a kilometre" still has a ring of old school about it."

      Yeah, I was laughing at the same thing... :D

  4. Stevie
    Happy

    Bah!

    I think you'll find that's *meters*.

    We don't spell in French here in the land of the free(dom fries).

    1. Greg J Preece
      Trollface

      Re: Bah!

      What's the name of that language again? :-p

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bah!

        I dunno, it's that bastardized low German / Latin / French / Norse that we inherited from you limies!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Bah!

          It still has rules, and that is not how you pluralise "limey".

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Bah!

            Considering the screwed-up nature of English grammar, you could spell "limeys" five different ways and still get it right (from one point of view or another).

            As long as you're changing to a numbering system that makes sense, why not adopt a phonetic alphabet, too? Unifon, anyone?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Bah! - phonetics

              Phonetics alphabets cannot work due to those so thick they cannot even talk their native language.

              Like those who think the "da afe let'r ov de alfabet is hache".

    2. Robert Heffernan
      Headmaster

      Re: Bah!

      Sorry to be a pedant but a tenth of a kilometer is a hectometer

    3. Stuart Duel
      Thumb Down

      Re: Bah!

      No, it is spelt METRE. A "meter" is a device for measuring usage such as gas or water.

      1. Robert Heffernan
        Facepalm

        Re: Bah!

        It can be Metre or Meter, the same as Colour is Color or Colour, and all those other words that is spelled differently in different countries. It all depends on the local dialect of english spoken.

    4. TeeCee Gold badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Bah!

      A metre is a unit of measurement, a meter is a measuring device.

      Like the one on my desk that tells me how much of a berk a commentard is, that's just wandered off scale 'cos I forgot to recalibrate it for USAians.

      1. MrZoolook
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        Re: Bah!

        Quote: A metre is a unit of measurement, a meter is a measuring device. Like the one on my desk that tells me how much of a berk a commentard is, that's just wandered off scale 'cos I forgot to recalibrate it for USAians.

        See, that's why we need a consistent global unit of measurement!

  5. mike 32
    Thumb Up

    We noticed it when watching...

    but then Musk is (originally) South African, and down here don't bother foot-pounds-per-square-inch no more.

  6. NWLB

    Not likely.

    It is fine for NASA, or the private sector, to use metric. Likewise, if it was once, seemingly required that the American or British people had to learn it, that is no longer the case. Computers do the math. Double labels and such are common and easy for consumer purposes. Any progress in moving people to use metric terms in common speech will be entirely incidental, not intentional.

    1. This Side Up
      Thumb Up

      Re: Not likely.

      Had to learn it? We've been teaching metric units for the last sixty years. We just can't use them because the conservative governments of both main parties don't think there are any votes in it.

      I look forward to seeing some meterage of the flight!

      1. Dazed and Confused

        Re: Not likely.

        > We just can't use them because the conservative governments of both main parties don't think there are any votes in it.

        Rather they know they'd get their sorry arses righteously tanned by an electorate who can't see why they should be pushed around.

        If it ain't broken don't fix it.

        1. FutureShock999

          Broken

          It's broken, trust me. The world is now a place of global trade, and and one billion Chinese and one billion Indians, to say nothing of another few hundred million Europeans, all use metric. The 300 million in the US are hopelessly fighting a loosing, and expensive, war, as US companies cannot easily export or interoperate with global markets. It IS costing the US jobs, and profitability. The fact that no one wants to talk about that politically out of some sense of jingoism doesn't mean it isn't real.

          1. Bill Neal
            FAIL

            Re: Broken

            Really, that doesn't make any sense when a simple calculator or cell phone can do the conversions in an instant. Outsourcing is all about wages & taxes.

            1. Jeff from California
              Paris Hilton

              Re: Broken

              It doesn't make sense from a practical standpoint — but then, the reason 'Murricans still use Imperial weights and measures has nothing to do with practicality and everything to do with emotional symbolism.

              By pig-headedly sticking to Imperial units, and forcing all the companies that want to sell their products both in central North America and the Free(r) World to spend Saganesque billions of dollars in redundancy (labelling, packaging, inventory management and so on), 'Murricans are doing their considerable best to ensure that their products have a hard time being sold outside their borders, accelerating the out-of-control trade imbalance and hastening the demise of what once was the United States of America as a meaningful player in world trade. Maybe when world trade moves away from the US dollar as the global reserve currency, people will finally begin to understand how badly they've been screwed and why; my guess is they'll keep on lapping up the corporate propaganda that's replaced American news reporting and continue to blame every imaginable outside influence that scapegoats them having to take actual responsibility for and control of what in living memory was our country.

              Things are going to keep accelerating downhill, and this is a poster-child-level reason for "why".

              Paris for her corporately-groomed, information-free symbolism of what's wrong with America.

              1. techfreak
                Megaphone

                Re: Broken

                Imperial units? Now wait. There's the US gallon (3.78541178 liters) and the imperial gallon (4.54609188 liters). Not all gallons are created equally, and don't forget the last decimal, please. Then, there's the fact that the US does not realize it is already metric. NIST *officially* designates 1 inch as 2.54 cm. Laboratories, the medical field, and the US military uses SI units. In my kitchen, no.

        2. mhenriday
          FAIL

          Perhaps it is broke and has been for a couple of centuries and more ?

          http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/01/news/mn-17288

          Welcome to the other 95 % of the world !...

          Henri

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