Pirate Bay AND its users violate labels' copyright - judge A High Court judge has ruled that notorious file-sharing website The Pirate Bay and its users violated the copyrights of nine record labels based in the UK. None of the founders of the website were represented at the trial in London. "The matters I have considered in relation to authorisation lead to the conclusion that the …
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...here in the UK now. These record labels really take the biscuit when it comes to protecting their criminal lifestyles.
Any Judge can give orders on the tiniest of pretexts of inciting and inducing something as flippant as referrring to the Koran, Bible or Torah !
Whats are we coming to??
And they want ACTA AND SOPA on top of that!
You sir, write words of paranoia and craziness!
You might not like the copyright laws, but whatever the record labels are currently doing is legal. Record labels are out-of-touch, dependent on an old business model, and behave extremely greedily, but they are certainly not "protecting their criminal lifestyles".
I would like to see a world where creators get fairly paid for their work, consumers can get access to creative works for a reasonable price, and the middle-man who currently takes an unjustifiably large slice of the pie is cut out. However "a reasonable price" for consumers cannot be "free" as in "gratis", otherwise piracy will kill the creative industries (bad thing) as opposed to just killing the bloated middlemen (good thing).
I believe this can be done without drastic measures such as ACTA and SOPA, and for that to happen, I as a consumer want to support any effort that allows me to legally BUY at a fair price content that I want as directly as possible from the creators. Large-scale piracy closes down that sensible middle ground and just gives the lobbies and politicians further excuses to impose ACTA-SOPA -like legislation onto law-abiding consumers.
And WTF have the Bible / Torah / Koran got to do with it?
Only because the fuckers bought and paid for the laws that make it so. That doesn't make what they do right. I could theoretically get away with murdering babies with pickaxes if I had enough money to pay off enough politicians to pass a law making it legal to murder babies with pickaxes. Doesn't make it a good thing to do though!
Lots of people here seem to think there is nothing wrong with downloading from torrents, so I'd conjecture that quite a few people go to TPB thinking that it's all fine. Unless that is that those people really know that it's not alright and they're just blustering about trying to justify their actions, but that would never happen, would it?
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The really big problem is that if you rely upon enforcement to protect the so called infinite copyrighted works is that you will have to throw 70 percent of the people in the 18 to 29 year olds who have illegally downloaded music! If that happens, there will be a serious discussion about copyright laws and the legitimacy of the governments involved with enforcement. Perhaps the world needs to take a second look at the infinite copyright laws and patent laws.
Taking at face value statements attributed to The Pirate Bay and its apologists, they seem to sincerely believe that copyright isn't a moral or enforceable exclusive right in the modern world. At all. I think they are mistaken.
You ever read a story called "A Logic Named Joe"? Written before personal computers, a "logic" is a sort of networked home computer, and Joe has a bug, of sorts: it lets anyone on the network access anything. Fortunately, disaster is mostly averted.
Reading the conclusions in this case, it appears very much that the distinction of how TPB are jointly etc etc can be directly applied to YouTube etc since as far as I am aware, whilst they announce that they will respond to takedown requests, there does not seem to be any attempt to make the uploader take responsibility to any copyright breach. This would be an admission that illegal uploads happen and that it is down to the copyright holder to find out and ask for the removal.
I can't believe that they could not have come up with a more precise form of words if they were that determined to find a way to block TBP.
As noted in other comments here though, the main offenders have moved on and there are so many more sites out there this effect of this case is to simply add weight to the rolling stone of big brother style censorship as the more they win the more they will go after until the courts are desensitized and sites are blocked 'on the nod'.
Depends on the specifics surely? Where the ISP servers are based, not the customer receiving the connection to them? What if you live literally yards over the border in Scotland, but your ISP is based south of the border?
IANAL, but as this is all new territory as far as applicable process is concerned, won't any actions hereafter set the benchmark for future actions?
I would hazard a bet at this being a DNS block, meaning the IP address will still work You can just add that to your hosts file and carry on as normal. Failing that, there's VPNs, proxies, I2P, Tor, Freenet...
This is not how to beat copyright infringement. You do it by offering a better service than the pirates. The last game I pirated was Quake IV, and I bought that on Steam anyway. The price was right, and the convenience of not having to trawl through buggy or virus infected cracked executables was the clincher.
Right now I would have to spend many thousands of pounds to buy the music *I already own* to fill up an iPod. That just isn't fair, guys. I don't care if it's the law; I'm just not going to do it, and making circumventing DRM illegal won't stop me. The same applies for trailers at the beginning of DVDs. I want to skip them and watch the feature, but I can't. I know it's collusion between DVD / Blu-Ray player manufacturers and the media companies making me watch that dross when I try and play something on the TV. (Incidentally, this doesn't affect me, as I watch my DVDs from my PC through VLC media player. If I couldn't do that, you can bet I wouldn't be buying anywhere near as many DVDs as I do.)
TL:DR; So what? "The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
Hide My Ass?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously, anyone that thinks that the owners of that site won't roll over and hand over your details to big brother is an idiot and quite frankly deserves to be caught sentenced and fined.
Hide My Ass is fine if you're a schoolboy trying to look at porn in the library, other than that it's so dodgy it's not even funny.
HMA is fine if you're not using it for anything dodgy ... they're a legit company so of course they'll hand your IP address over the the rozzers on request.
It's useful for confusing YouTube as to your location, or bypassing company restrictions on which websites you can visit... I wouldn't trust them enough to actually log onto anything through the proxy mind.
There. I said it.
Again ;o)
OK some stuff is not the same secondhand (games with used-up online redemption codes, etc) but CD's, DVD's .. all the same so long as the packaging is in good nick. Take someone's no-longer-wanted purchase off them for a great price and keep that sale away from Big Media. If you want to make sure the 'artist' benefits then buy a t-shirt, go to a gig, send them an Xmas card with a fiver in it.
Which reminds me... you watch the secondhand games market take a shit-kicking when the next gen of consoles come out. The games won't be any cheaper, either, even though they're largely free to distribute online through XBOX market, etc.
It's going the same way with consoles now... PS3 games are beginning to be tied to your PSN/SEN account for online play now; the death knell for the for the second hand console game market hasn't been rung yet but I think it's coming. I suspect it'll gain traction with the next generation of consoles (PS4, XBoX 720, whatever).
I hope you didn't pay for those extra copies which didn't work properly; just because the games can't be resold that doesn't mean you have to accept faulty goods.
When one torrent site gets blocked another 3 open up...TPB has been under threat for ages and is still up, if it gets blocked there are still plenty of others out there which can be reached in a instant via google.
Nice of the government to waste time and money on the things that really matter.
I trust you lot complaining or gloating about get-arounds are also lobbying your local MP's and what not. Seems to me there is much complaining on internet forums, but absolutely no pestering of MP's. And one really think Ministers lurk on internet forums like this?
People in the UK need to do what people across Europe do, get of your lardy keyboard warrior arses and make damn sure the politicians know how you feel. If you dont, we will all end up royally screwed.
I'm sorry, someone seems to have mistaken the UK for a democracy?!*
You'd be better off lobbying the Daily Mail and watching the reaction slowly cascade up into the ranks of government as it seems our politicos only react to media-backed moral crusades these days.
* a FPTP system with more than 2 political parties cannot be truly democratic; odds are, whoever is in power they'll have had a minority of the population voting for them; with 3 parties it's quite possible for the government to be made up of a party that 65% of the population voted against.
the last thing i 'pirated' from TPB was a copy of Windows XP home edition OEM which i owned a license for anyway but because HP no longer supply XP home CDs and MS stupid licensing meant that officially i had to buy a new Windows license rather than just let me download an iso from their website to be able to reinstall Windows on a laptop i owned the only place i could get a copy of the software was from TPB.
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