Oracle gives 21 (new) reasons to uninstall Java Oracle this week pushed an updated version of its Java runtime environment that fixes 21 security vulnerabilities, 19 of which allow attackers to remotely install malicious software on end-user machines. The company recommends users install Java 6 Update 24 as soon as possible, but before readers follow though, allow us to …
Uninstalled Java, due to the fact that despite constantly patching, chattering over the network and being a general asspain, the Java updater never seemed to keep Java up to date, and installed versions were often vulnerable to already (theoretically) fixed bugs.
So far, the only difference that I have noticed is that I am unable to try Minecraft out. Probably for the best. All other java software that I had was easily replaced elsewhere. The net effect of getting rid of it was beneficial.
Open Office needs Java to support its lesser-known file formats: as examples, docbook and MS_XML_2003. However, it does not need Java to support odt/doc, ods/xls, and odp/ppt.
Open Office would be a much cleaner product if those Java dependencies were eliminated. But I guess that means replacing the Java class libraries, not just the code. Should be possible in C++, though.
Few things irritate me more than people demonstrating how superior they are by pontificating on how using the command line is what competent people do, eschewing more advanced user interfaces.
Going down ... for being a dick.
Paris: obviously.
ps: My bank requires Java, as does almost every other bank in this country (denmark)
If your broadband has gone down, how would you even access BT's speed tester? And if it had gone down, do you really need a speed tester to tell you that you're getting 0kbps?
Other than that, all your argument is complaining about something which is quite big, taking a long time to download over dialup speeds. Well, yes.
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease . . . let Larry's hubris be the death of Java. The mantra of "write once, run anywhere" has become "write once, run somewhere . . . maybe." Assuming you have just exactly the right JVM and the developer has not snuck in some platform-dependent code and is not, in fact, a chimpanzee turned loose on a laptop as a lark, the Java code might execute properly. Or you might get a big red stop sign saying "FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID WHORE. YOU'RE RUNNING JAVA. WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING?"
The final sign that Java had jumped the shark was that IBM started using it (Eclipse, that is, and anyone who wants to lecture me on the difference can do something that mentioning in this post would undoubtedly cause it to be rejected) as the GUI framework for Load of Goats, which, in terms of user experience improvement, is roughly analogous to smearing feces on a pig.
Death to Java!
Ever tried using Java + NTLM proxy + SSL? Bug first reported in 2007. Fix is just going in to 1.6.0_25. Of course, the fact that most of my customers have strict IT rules on installing new version of software means they won't benefit from the fix until about 2015 at the earliest...
I do wish Java would just go away
It has nothing to do with Java per se, and more to do with the idiots writing (or to be more precise, NOT writing) the code I have to support in my daily job. Twits still haven't updated their code base to a SUPPORTED version of Java and I've now been here for a year and a half. And it doesn't play well with the other app that uses a supported version of Java, and yes, frequently people who need the first app also need the second.
"Try uninstalling Java altogether. This will dramatically shrink the attack surface of your machine, and unless you use a handful of specific applications, you'll never notice the difference."
I don't know what's going on here, but we already had that exact exhortation about a month ago or so.
Has the Microsoft check cleared or something?
If you are going to uninstall everything with a security flaw in it, you might as well forget owning a computer: MacOS, Linux, Windows, BIOSes, Java, .NET, the whole lot can go.
Its fun to write dumb articles like this one, but giving companies grief when they publish security fixes is a pretty bad strategy - it is only going to encourage companies to hide their flaws.
uninstall Microsoft .Net - just like Java, except its updates are forced with Windows updates so you don't see them, didn't you know that? Perhaps you should also suggest Adobe products or even Windows itself
Stop scare mongering. Chances are if people have it installed already it's because an app on their system needs it.
Right now, I've got a research project consisting of about 14kLoC, which I don't exactly feel like rewriting over a weekend. And the "write once, run anywhere" property did work well enough for me. It allowed me to write the code on a Win7 machine with graphics and benchmark it on a RedHat cluster just fine.
However, I think after this, that'll be the end of it. Anyone have any suggestions for a good alternative language? Something object oriented, with good GUI support, besides C++? Never could get my head around C++ somehow.
Go; cause it's time to.
Python perhaps? Ruby was all the rage recently, but its memory handling remains leakier than java's. Crusty old sysadmins would probably do OO in perl just because. Or if you're a Real Academic, lisp (or its cousin scheme) of course; you'll hash out any missing OO infrastructure with but a few definitions. If you're more of the low-level persuasion you could do it in even less FORTH words. That's not OO-y enough? What about smalltalk? Oh you wanted something modern? Haskell is de rigeur in some circles.
That a bit too many options? Try the first one, or else explain a bit more about what sort of research project you're talking about, as in what type of coding you tend to write.
Delphi. Or preferably Delphi's funky open source and cross platform cousin Lazarus.
They are both dialects / derivatives of object pascal, which is often dismissed as a toy language or a teaching aid. It is however surprisingly powerful and a metric fuck-ton faster than Java for scientific or maths stuff.
I didn't like Embracadero's pricing plan a while back so I've not really followed Delphi since.
Object pascal is quite interesting but if you already know c++, I can't really see the point in learning something else that is less popular and not free (ok I admit, I am discounting Lazarus here) and with a future that's not completely quite certain.
(I'll grant that c++ is horrid and fugly)
Well, since I don't need to start on any new projects soon, I can't really say precisely what I need. But, essentially, I'm looking for a general purpose language, that's able to tackle a wide range of problems effectively. As an example from the previous project mentioned, some chunks were written with an object oriented approach, (the data structures and overall hierarchy primarily) some were written procedurally, (just cause it's straight-forward) and still others were written in a functional manner (some math routines.) So, Java and C++ are nice in that it's easy to take and mix various styles of programming to whatever best suits a subtask. Of course, I could make some "perfect world" requests, such as fast execution, easy to read and write, portable, dev-safe, concurrency support, etc.. FWIW, I do tend to use Perl for quick and dirty scripting and MATLAB for heavy math. I would expect that I'd be using the language primarily on desktop type machines, though the occasional cluster wouldn't be out of the question. I guess I'm mostly wondering if there's a successor to C++ and Java yet.
I've heard of most of those... Though just the thought of doing heavy programming in a number of those would probably drive me crazy (Lisp, Scheme, Haskell) I had heard good things about Python and Ruby, so it's nice to know that Ruby has memory issues. Of course, I've heard good things about C# too, though it's not really portable outside MS land. And it appears that C++0x still hasn't landed yet. =( So, it sounds like I should check out Python the next time I've got a new project to play with.
The Pharo project is making great strides towards bringing Smalltalk a bit more up to date.
http://pharo-project.org/home
And it has to be said that even Smalltalk-80 makes Java look like a poor-man's version of OOP (which, to be fair, it literally is - Sun wouldn't pay the license fee for ST so they did their own half-arsed version instead).
There is some merit in your FORTH suggestion too, but I don't think the mass market is going to get excited about that in the foreseeable future. To put it mildly.
I spend about 2/3 my time at work developing in Smalltalk with the rest in C++ with some C# and Java. Smalltalk blows these others totally away for productivity, maintainability and dev. environment. It's also the best for test driven development. We can train a new developer in Smalltalk in a couple of days max. Once you 'get' Smalltalk you wonder why everybody isn't using it.
Ckeck out Pharo Smalltalk (great for web development using Seaside and totally cross platform) or Dolphin Smalltalk for mega cool environment but Windows only. Othe commercial implementations are VA Smalltalk from Instantiations and Visual Works from Cincom.
I had the same problem a few years ago. I would just bite the bullet and learn C++; you can read 'Accelerated C++' in a couple of weeks. It's not pretty, but it more or less does the job. My 'research project' is now getting on for 100KLoC, and I'm pretty sure I would be shafted if I'd used a proper language instead.
My next few w/ends will be taken up with trying to move it all from MinGW to MSVC.. :(
Yeh uninstalled java a long time ago. Not to many things require java unless you deal with enterprise stuff alot which is only usually at work. I don't think I have come across any general websites that require java. Remember java and javascript are completely different.
Good advice overall. I think alot of people over-estimate the importance of java on their machines. I find it's disappearing more and more as time goes on. Glad I stopped learning it early on as I saw cottoned onto the fact what was promised was rarely delivered in reality.
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