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A California mother of three was cuffed last Friday for allegedly having sex with a 13-year-old boy she met in an Xbox Live chat room. Rachel Ann Hicks. Pic: Orange County Sheriff's Dept Rachel Ann Hicks, 36, of Lake Forest, allegedly posed as a 23-year-old woman in order to chat up the Maryland teen online, and the …

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  1. David 9
    Paris Hilton

    fnarr, fnarr

    "...but federal authorities were eventually able to nail her." - Oh El Reg you spoil us.

  2. C Yates
    Happy

    To be fair...

    She only wanted a go on his joystick =)

  3. irish donkey
    Stop

    If this was a bloke and a young girl

    there would be no funar funar only shock and horror, and somebody screaming 'think of the children'....

    But looking at the picture I'm not 100% sure it isn't

    1. Rob

      At 13...

      ... I think the mentality is still, 'any holes a goal'.

    2. Prophy
      Joke

      Obligatory

      Niiiiiice...

  4. Matt Hawkins

    Feds

    "The hunt was hindered by Hicks hiding behind a false name and age, but federal authorities were eventually able to nail her."

    So they just looked up her Xbox Live account and got her address from Microsoft then?

    Wow that must have soaked up the resources !

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Horns

    Subliminal ad campaign by Microsoft?

    I can just imagine how traumatised the 13 year old boy must have been when he was offered sex by an older woman - what a nightmare for any pubescent male teen..

    13 year old boys all over the world will be rushing to the shops with their pocket money as we speak!

  6. Ryanjw
    Happy

    achievement

    Wonder what achievement he unlocked?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      PMSL

      Coffee everywhere! ;-)

  7. Sir Runcible Spoon

    Sir

    "alleged victim"

    the poor poor boy, he must be sitting there all traumatised now due to the interference of The State. I'm pretty sure he isn't the one complaining about having popped his cherry at 13 to an experienced older woman, so why would he be a victim?

    It isn't like she anally raped him with an apple corer is it. Is it?

    1. Cosmo
      Jobs Halo

      @ Sir Runcible

      How do we know? Apple corers might be her kind of thing!

      1. 68 SK LFG
        Coat

        @Cosmo... WAIT!

        What does Steve Jobs have to do with this and what exactly is an Apple iCorer?

        I WANT ONE!

        ;)

        The trench coat with my little wife's kindle in the pocket...... (naw, she'd kill me...)

    2. Alan 6
      FAIL

      Idiot

      Why is it considered OK for a woman to rape a boy than it is an older man to rape a girl, or indeed a man to rape a boy or a woman to rape a girl?

      In all cases it's an adult sexually interfering with a child below the age of consent...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Boffin

        Actually....

        ...it is physically impossible for a woman to rape a man (or boy) if you're talking about 'bog-standard' sex, you need to use different terminology.

        Naturally it can cause emotional problems down the line, but when I was his age had the opportunity presented itself then I can't imagine I would have said no. These days it's much easier to see what it's all about due to the profusion of internet porn, but in my day the best you'd have seen was rather tame photos in a magazine that was far less clear than the modern equivalent.

      2. jonathanb Silver badge

        Re: idiot

        Because it is pretty difficult for a woman to have sex with an unwilling male. Sex is seen very much as something a man does to a woman.

        If I get unwanted attention from a woman I don't fancy, it is mildly annoying. Unwanted attention from a man (I'm not into them at all) worries me a lot more, because there is the possibility of something happening that I don't want to happen. Similarly women are a lot more scared of unwanted attention from men they don't fancy.

    3. Annihilator
      Thumb Down

      Never understood

      Never understood why the double standard exists that a 13 year old boy wouldn't be traumatised by this experience. If the genders were reversed, there would be no question of whether an "alleged victim" existed.

      It may sound Penthouse Forum to you, but carnal relations generally require a degree of emotional maturity. Chances are slim it wouldn't exist here. Even though the boy may also be thinking "wa-hay!" at the moment, you've no idea what damage has been done to this child - emphasis on child.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        carnal relations generally require a degree of emotional maturity

        Myth.

        If it were true, the world population would be much, much less.

        1. Sir Runcible Spoon

          Sir

          I may be wrong but I think the point about emotional maturity doesn't relate to the ability to HAVE sex, but to have sex in a healthy way and not get all messed up in the head about it.

    4. Red Dwarf
      FAIL

      Turn it around

      "I'm pretty sure he isn't the one complaining about having popped his cherry at 13 to an experienced older woman, so why would he be a victim?"

      Turn it around and replace 'he' with 'she' and 'woman' with 'man' and you'll see what's wrong here.

      You seem to assume that most males are always eager for sex while few females are - that may reflect your experiences but don't assume that it's universal.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Unhappy

      would it be different if the youngster was a girl?

      even if she consented to the act? and what if the girl already had a prior sexual experience would that make it any less cringe worthy?

      just where are we as a society headed?

      1. Sir Runcible Spoon
        Troll

        Sir

        Ok, ok, I'll admit to a teensy bit of trolling here.

        I know it's as morally unsound to defrock a 13 year old boy as it is a 13 year old girl.

        However, as much as you may not like it, it _IS_ seen differently for a boy of 13 to have sex with an older woman than if the genders were reversed. Everyone* thinks this way because it reflects perceived reality rather than some moralistic forced equality. If we were all truly equal, then I would have tits and a vagina and my wife would have a strapping 12" cock**. Obviously I don't have a vagina (the moobs are going..honest!) so therefore we are different and not the same, QED.

        Emotionally girls are probably more able to handle a relationship at this age than boys, but the perceived reality is the reverse..go figure - I didn't make the world, I just shit in it.

        *By Everyone I mean anyone who agrees with me of course

        **This is clearly an absurd boast

        ***There is no Runcilbe spoon

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Apple corer

      Didn't see that on the YouTube clip.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shocked

    All XBox buyers should have a DNA sample taken at point of sale to avoid this sort of thing happening again.

    Or should that be pizza box buyers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Black Helicopters

      The way it's going...

      I wouldn't be surprised if they do =)

      <-- says the one who covers the Kinect camera when not in use

  9. Tigra 07

    Not something you should have to ask but...

    Why is it never paedophilia like it would be for a man?

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: Not something you should have to ask but...

      Who said it's not?

      Eeeeeesh.

      1. The Indomitable Gall

        Nobody said it wasn't...

        ...but nobody said it *was*, and I think that's his point. While the charges of "molestation" are frequently mentioned in cases like this, the tag "paedo" doesn't tend to stick. But then this isn't the NoTW, so it's not a label that the Reg throws about anyway.

        1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

          Re: Nobody said it wasn't...

          I don't know that the word 'paedophile' is always used in cases where the genders are reversed. It's generally implicit in the reporting. It doesn't look to me like she's getting any sort of special treatment or easy ride (ahem) because she's a woman.

          So it follows that I don't think there is an issue specifically on this level, and we can all safely skip that and get straight to the usual screaming about the other issues.

    2. Keith 21

      Because it isn't paedophilia.

      If it was, the boy woudl not have been able to maintain an erection and have sex with her.

      You (and the knee-jerk NoTW-reading morons et al) need to look up the definition of the word. Paedophile does not mean what you seem to think it does.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Big Brother

        Too right!

        If he's reached puberty, then it's simply under-age sex.

        1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
          Headmaster

          It's properly termed...

          ...Ephebophilia, or possibly Hebephilia - see for example:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia

      2. Bryce 2

        Thank you!

        I get so tired of so many people using that word without understand what it means!

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Sorry about this ....

    .... but I'm wondering if, like so many popular games out there, she has included a multiplayer co-op campaign.

    Also I'm sure there are plenty of references to noob tubes etc. Aaaaand on that note I will leave it there.

  11. envmod
    Unhappy

    makes me sad

    I feel sorry for the woman. sure she isn't a pervert or malicious or anything. just a bit dumb really....she looks so confused and sad in that photo, like she doesn't know what she's done wrong. plus, like many people have said - i'm sure the 13 year old buy in question was more than happy to go along with her suggestions (and probably made a few of his own). lot of fuss over nothing much imo.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Engage brain before operating keyboard

      Of course she looks sad and confused - she's been nicked for doing something illegal and immoral and is feeling all sorry for herself. I'm 36. If I posed as 23 with the intention of doing the same thing with a 13 year old girl - even with her explicit consent, and don't think that doesn't happen - I'd be rightly condemed by society and the state.

      What's the difference, genius?

      This was premeditated grooming of a minor. It's illegal everywhere. It's understood to be outside the boundaries of decency - everywhere. Glad you used IMO in your post. For future reference. Keep the O to yourself.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Grenade

        Re: AC 15:27 GMT

        You said, "It's illegal everywhere." Clearly referring to the act of an older woman having sex with a 13 year old. To be strictly true, it isn't legal everywhere. For example the age of consent in Spain is 13 years old. In some parts of Mexico the age of consent is 12. In Japan, the federal age of consent is 13; but most prefectures have local laws that change this.

        Of course, in this case, even in Spain the woman would be committing an offence by the use of deception.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Down

      wait, what?

      Dude it's still wrong!! (Not to mention illegal)

      Just because she looks a bit sad doesn't lessen the crime.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: makes me sad

      Would you still feel the same if it was a 46 year old confused male who was the perpetrator?

      >like she doesn't know what she's done wrong

      She's a mother of three, are you also suggesting that she told her own children that it's alright for them to have sex at 13 with someone who's 46?

  12. JDX Gold badge

    hmm

    I bet lots of young girls would not mind the roles reversed either actually, but it doesn't make it right. They don't know what they're getting into (!)

  13. maclovinz
    FAIL

    Ahh Commentards....

    The biggest d*cks are the people saying anything remotely close to "hey I think he probably enjoyed it!" Or, "No big deal, he lost it to an older woman!"

    Just speaks to where this world is going as a whole.

    ....just wait til 18, please. Or, better yet, a meaningful relationship.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      WTF?

      18??

      Why 18? And I think most people lose it in a shitty, rushed experience before their parents get home from work at 15-16...seams to be the pass of rights

      1. Sir Runcible Spoon

        Sir

        "home from work at 15-16"

        That's a pretty precise estimate of the time of arrival there..oh wait..

    2. Pablo
      WTF?

      Where this world is going?

      Perhaps, but it's also where the world is coming from. If I'm not mistaken the common law age of consent was 12.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    To those talking about rape

    Rape is non-consensual. Nothing about this story suggests that rape is a subject being discussed here.

    The premeditated actions the woman carried out were certainly immoral, but please don't confuse the issue by talking about a completely different offence.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      re: To those talking about rape

      "Nothing about this story suggests that rape is a subject being discussed here."

      Apart from the victim having not reached the age of consent.

    2. DaveyP
      WTF?

      Nonsense

      Incorrect. You cannot consent as a minor. Even if he wrote down, drew pictures of what was going to happen and recorded a video saying 'woo hoo - MILF love for me tonight boys', it's still statutary rape.

      So, you know, wrong and that.

    3. Annihilator
      Thumb Down

      It's called..

      .."statutory rape". The idea being that a 13 year old boy is legally incapable of giving informed consent, so in the law's eyes it's still non-consensual.

      Nobody is confusing the issue - in fact the argument exists that as the child grows older and develops maturity, they grow to realise that it was in fact non-consensual and the trauma gradually grows.

    4. bluesxman

      RE: To those talking about rape

      Statutory rape (it may have a different term in the USA) is a crime and is non-consensual because the victim is not legally permitted to consent. It's a subtly different crime but is not difficult to understand.

      1. Oninoshiko

        bluesxman

        The term is the same in the US. It is statutory rape.

    5. Moz

      re: To those talking about rape →

      You can only consent if you deemed to be old enough to consent. In many places, this is indeed classed as rape.

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