Oracle sues Google over Java in Android Oracle has mounted a no-holds-barred legal attack on Google's Android operating system in a lawsuit that accuses the internet giant of deliberately infringing patents and copyrights Oracle holds for the Java platform. In a complaint filed late on Thursday, 12 August, Oracle asked a federal court in Northern California to seize …
Oracle will be to the Java community what SCO is to the Linux community.
They are even using the same lawyer!!!! David Boies.
He makes tens of millions and drove SCO out of business, maybe he will be just as successful with Oracle.
We really need a Larry Ellison with devil horns icon to choose from....or maybe Leisure Suit Larry
Absolutely right - not that Oracle has ever been particularly "not a bunch of wankers" but now they've completely come out of the closet. "We're the fastest database" - no MySQL was but then they bought it. Now they are suing Google for using something that was supposed to be open for business as in OSS. Yes, they reek of SCO-type behaviour & I now hope they end up destitute.
Not a big fan of Goggle at the moment either but this is crap!
I can't believe that Sun allowed Google to get away with this in the first place.
Oh, hold on, Andy Bechtolsheim gave some seed capital to the then unnamed company, and Eric, who led Java development for a while, is CEO.
They were our friends, so all was cool. They aren't Larry's friends so the gloves are off.
So they're suing Google for implementing Java.
They forgot that save for a few classes, much of Java is open-source.
It's like they're trying to stuff a genie back into the bottle.
Now, normally I'd be apathetic towards Google as well (how dare they remove my Hitler Bunker Scene rant about how the local ISP monopoly has canceled plans on bringing in FIOS into my area!), but for this, if they're successful with Google, Nokia will be under the chopper next, and perhaps many other phones that does Java.
And then they'd probably discontinue MySQL, sue Team MediaPortal and declare OpenSolaris illegal.
That's it, I'm outta here. Taxi!
Java the language and Java the VM are both excellent technologies. Absolutely nothing matches them for stability, breadth of support, portability, tools etc. That includes C# / .NET which although C# is arguably a better language simply isn't portable.
The problem for Java is its stewards are extremely conservative and seem more interested in providing a stable platform for enterprise applications than addressing the needs of desktop apps and mobiles.
I think what is likely to happen over time is that the JVM will continue to be used but apps are going to diversify and start being developed in the likes of Groovy / Scala / Jython etc. where they benefit from dynamic scripting, convention based development and more modern language features but can still benefit from the vast Java ecosystem which exists out there.
Right so can I have all those pictures you have on your phone of you family please? I just want you to thank me for promoting your life!
No you don't any say in how I promote you, I just want to do it my way without any say from you.
Alright if I manipulate your family pics on my grot site? I'm still promoting them and you should thank me for it!
Personally I think Oracle are being scum but it's their property and they still have a say in how it's used and abused, whatever Google may think.
Now Oracle's takeover makes more sense.
I can't see how this is going to benefit the Java community in any positive way; this is just Oracle acting for their own self interest.
I know, I know, they are a company and this is a product (albeit, reasonably open), but Java is a community (as is any development language), and Oracle should be thinking of their effects on that as much as any profits.
Ah well, it's all MHO.
If Google bought Java off Oracle it would relieve it of something that it doesn't want.
Watch Oracle next hit HP or IBM with some hardware patents law suit - and get them to buy the remains of Sun hardware to make the law suit go away.
Oracle could then slowly strangle mysql and eliminate that as a competitor.
Sorry for Oracle but IBM kills them on the hardware. Hell IBM for a long time was the fab for some of Sun's gear.
The real shame is that IBM should have kept their boot in it and bought Sun. This suit would never happen in that case as IBM has it's own self interest in seeing Java prosper.
Oracle on the other hand is interested in killing off anything it didn't come up with.
Well first we know Oracle lies, it promised the European Competition Commision it would be a good steward for Java.
Next I guess we can expect Oracle to sue world plus dog over MySQL.
TIME TO STOP USING JAVA.
It is pretty bad when you have to acknowledge that Microsoft is the better corporate citizen.
Well it is good that C# is a marginally better language than Java, and that it learned from Zend and the AS400 to compile on first use, making it substantially more efficient than the hot spot compiling silliness in many versions of Java.
It is really too bad you can not lock executives up for deceiving European regulators, it might make these companies acquisition promises worth the toilet paper they are written on.
Numpty
The CLR dynamically compiles code as well, why is that? because dynamic compilation is faster in the long run than statically compiled code. It can inline code between modules/jars/assemblies, it can pass parameters through the registers, it can see how the code interacts and perform more effective compilation. Stick to RPG.
It dynamically compiles, but it keeps hold of the compiled code in memory so that it doesn't have to compile it again. I.e. if you're doing a massive for loop with some repetitive crap in the middle it'll only compile the repetitive crap once during that process' lifetime, and then just calls the compiled code for every other iteration. Unless I'm very much mistaken, the JVM compiles every time it hits something.
Once again, unless I'm very much mistaken, that makes you the numpty.
You are morally right, you SHOULD not be able to copy ideas. However the US allows for patents on both Business processes and methods, and any story or work is an idea, and protected by copyright law.
A business process or method (one click shopping) can be patented (AND WITHHELD form the rest of us) simply by filing the paperwork and paying the money. The process doesn't have to be made, or even work, just described.
This is SO against what copyright and patents were intended for its sick.
Time to start a Pirate Party in the US, and force a change in IP rules.
DumbF&*Cks selling media don't realize the system is so gamed against the average person, that the average person feels morally righteous in stealing from these evil empires.
Oracle have decided that java is a single vendor solution. No JVM except the Oracle JVM.
Can't see the language surviving that.
Of course with those patents c# is going to have a fight too (which is also a single vendor solution, but it never pretended to be anything else.. and the vendor is big enough to get away with it).
...Oracle is in financial ruins having paid almost all money to the lawyers. They're delisted from NASDAQ and what remaining stock is sold as ORCL.PK for $0.08 a share and are under bankruptcy protection after remnants of Sun's former developers are granted rights to the patents in another case because they weren't transferred as part of the acquisition. Google is still waiting as Oracle files appeals regarding the Sun case's result. By this time, the lawyers are retired and living a life of luxury along the coast.
I don't think sofware patenting is theoretically bad, but it should have no relationship to mechanical patents. A software patent should be it's own thing, very restricted and of a term that makes sense in the IT world- maybe 18 months, perhaps extendable to 3 years if the idea is exploited by the patentee within the initial period.
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