Jobsian Vendetta - Flash stabbed by Mac the Knife

No relation?

I assume that "Tim Cook" is not the same "Timothy D Cook" who is the COO of Apple Inc?

Unless, of course, El Reg is being read by the most influential people these days...

Agreed

I have to say I agree with 'Tim Cook' on this point. A lot of people come on these comments and make silly points simply cos they don't like one manufacturer or the other. Like the guys says nobody is making you do anything.

Fact is a I really like my iphone because it is easy to use, a pleasure to use and is reliable. I can't say the same when I use flash based websites on either my W7 PC or my Macbook. Nor can I say the same for the various Nokia and SE phones I owned before.

I used to dislike Apple (or more precisely the people who owned Apple products) but now that I've actually gone out, bought and used a couple of their products I can see where people are coming from. They are just much nicer to use and frankly life's too short to bother with 'one OS, multiple hardware platforms'....I mean have google learnt nothing from Mircosoft?

Anyway.

"Adhere to standards"

That's a tad strong, when it supports a company that has brought us the atrocities of QuickTime, Safari, iTunes, and Bonjour.

Anon to escape the rabid task force from the Church of St. Jobs.

devices of limited capacity - oh ffs

Another, "my fridge won't toast bread" types of comments, and "I should be able to tinker with the embedded windows system in my automobile" and "because all this bitching makes me seem intelligent and of course makes my p***s bigger!"

Task orientation in a lovely form factor makes for a perfect product that people go out and buy. But, trolls are the ones who are right here - millions and millions of people are wrong. I guess they just haven't realised the happiness and joy they receive from Apple products is false. Once trolls enlighten them, then they'll be as angry about Apple's success as all the trolls currently are?

RE: Money

"But even if I were to compile my app from Flash, I would still have to buy my dev licence and submit my app for inspection by the iStore. Jobs still gets his 30%."

Unless, of course it was a free app... well, yes, he'd still get 30% but it would be 30% of nothing...

RE: Then I suggest you read this

Yep, they use a lot of weasel words to try to save Adobe, things like mentioning all the items which are not proprietary and then saying "Using a blanket statement saying Adobe’s Flash products are 100% proprietary is a lie."

Except no-one else is allowed to make any Flash creation software, are they?

Or

"Lie #3: “…75% of video on the web is in Flash. What they don’t say is that almost all this video is also available in a more modern format, H.264, and viewable on iPhones, iPods and iPads…”

Incorrect. If a video is H264, that doesn’t mean it can play on the iPhone."

True, but since MOST of the video hits through Flash are Youtube, there's not a lot left over. Youtube vids can be watched on the iPhone btw.

Lie #4: “users aren’t missing much video.”

"Every time a user see’s a blue lego instead of the video they wanted to see, they are missing a video. There were so many people seeing the blue lego, including Steve Jobs himself on stage demoing the iPad, that they removed the blue lego as a PR effort to make it seem like there was something wrong with the website itself vs. the iPhone/iPad."

Umm, I don't see blue lego on my Mac notebook and I'm not missing any video. Probably because I've got Click-To-Flash. It's made me realise how much pointless Flash there is sitting out there. Ads mostly, it seems. One in particular with a buzzing fly did my head in!! I'm glad they're not there on the iPhone. Lucky iPhone users!

And the biggest lie of all:

"Lie #8: “…Flash was designed for PCs using mice, not for touch screens using fingers…”

Incorrect. The whole reason Flash Player has continued to stay ahead of the curve is because Macromedia/Adobe innovates it. There are gesture & touch API’s in the Flash Player; I and many others have used them for the iPhone resulting in a 100+ apps on the App Store."

They've used "touch API's in the Flash Player" and used them "in a 100+ apps on the App Store".

Really? This seems like a claim that people have written apps in Flash and got them on to the iPhone App Store? I don't think so!

"Lie #9: “For example, many Flash websites rely on “rollovers”, which pop up menus or other elements when the mouse arrow hovers over a specific spot.”

Incorrect. This was already discounted 2 months ago by Mike Chambers."

Incorrect, he showed that the rollover event was there BUT in order to see it, you have to know it's there, know it's a rollover item, press in a blank area of the screen (which unless you know better might be a roll over button too and you've just clicked it) and then drag your finger over.

Not exactly like mouse rollover in any way. They're two completely different things!

"Lie #13: “The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content.”

Incorrect. See #3. Media companies will have to create players like Netflix did to support those devices; these aren’t HTML5, they’re Cocoa."

Come off it. I can already watch video and consume web content without relying on Flash. I'm doing it right now ffs!

I could have picked more FUD out of the morass they presented there. To be fair, there were a few truths, presented straight. There did seem to be many more "truths" that were at best half-truths or outright lies!