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The British foreign and defence ministers are answering questions posed by all comers in an online forum, where the most popular questions are answered first. Thus far, public interest appears fairly low. Secretaries of State Bob Ainsworth (defence) and David Miliband (foreign affairs) can be contacted online here until the …

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  1. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Sorry, the minister is unavailable today

    He's too busy voting up the easy and politically harmless questions on the UK and Afghanistan website.

  2. Ihre Papiere Bitte!!
    Grenade

    Call me cynical....

    But I have a sneaking suspicion that the questions will be those that can be answered with a non-answer that makes Labour look good (hard enough, these days...)

    Q1. "Does the minister think that the UK, supported by a caring Labour Government, is doing a fantastic job in Afghanistan?" **50 votes**

    Q2. "Does the minister agree that politicians micro-managing the military operations in Afghanistan and insisting on short-term media-friendly goals has resulted in extra UK military deaths and injuries, unnecessary collateral damage, reduced co-operation from the Afghan nationals, massive corruption in the Afghan government and an increase in support for the Taliban?" **0 votes**

    ++Please vote for either Q1 or Q2++

    2

    ++Thank you. Your vote for Q1 has been counted.++

  3. Cucumber C Face
    Alert

    Pakistan - the real issue

    I ran down the questions and not once did I see the 'P' word.

    IMHO this war now has little to do with 9/11, 7/11, Osama BL, opium or promoting democracy, mom and apple pie.

    1. Pakistan is openly at war with Islamic Fundamentalists (including 'Taliban') inside its own borders

    2. Pakistan has a long uncontrollable border with Afghanistan

    3. Pakistan has nukes.

    4. The Pakistani goverment is relatively "West" friendly and dependent on US support (although it can't be seen to admit it or be cosying up to the infidels)

    5. Any Islamic fundamentalist government in Pakistan would be fanatically anti-Western and might send a couple of nukes our way (assuming any were left over after the likely conflict with India).

    NATO forces are in Afghanistan to stop the Taliban setting up stable bases bases that side of the border and destabilising Pakistan further.

    Our forces don't have to 'win' in Afghanistan just keep them occupied. There might be somewhat better ways of going about it but total withdrawal could permit a human induced disaster of unprecedented scale.

    I don't see a way out - and for once have sympathy for politicians having to make these decisions. Any which way many lives will be lost.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re Pakistan - the real issue

      I doubt either Milliband or Ainsworth will be able to offer any reasonable answers, as they have yet to ask themselves the hard questions needed to understand the Afghan war

      Pakistan has always been the real problem since long before Sep 11 2001, the ideological and logistical driver for the Taliban, although the American willingness to deal with 'the devil they know' on Pakistan's terms has greatly exacerbated the problem since then with their acceptance of Pakistani assurances at face value. At the time of the WTC attacks, Pakistan was (and arguably still is) a failed state, with only 750,000 USD of foreign currency reserves, an imploding economy and proxy wars and low level conflict with India it could no longer afford. Musharraf sat up and made the right noises to the US and was given money and piles of weapons in return - including a large arms deal that had been blocked by Congress for 5 years.

      America dug the country out of that hole but got nothing at all substantial in return. The ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) continued to burn the candle at both ends by funding, arming and sheltering Islamists in both Afghanistan and India and providing them with intelligence and logistical support. The ISI and the military are essential schizophrenic and internally at perpetual war with themselves. Pakistani society also has factions galore, a virtually feudal political system and is broadly ungovernable without the support of the Islamist factions - who Musharraf happily supported on the quiet while publicly claiming to clamp down.

      America and Britain have got it wrong in Afghanistan in part because they have entirely failed to understand or engage with Pakistan as it really is, preferring a simplistic and superficial cold war interpretation of the country and the wider region, which appears to include the fantasy that "democracy" is defined in the same way in Islamabad or Kabul as it is in London or Washington.

      If Pakistan is now fighting a genuine war with its various tribal and Islamist factions it is only because the government/ISI were finally forced to try reigning them in, eight years after the US first insisted they do so. Trustworthy allies indeed.

      If the US and Britain had started by looking beyond their own ideological prejudices, they might have seen that there were better allies to be had that more directly shared their objectives and concerns for Afghanistan - Russia, India and most especially Iran come to mind, as does China to a lesser extent. And while they were at it, they might have taken a far harder look at what their "friends" the Saudis were up to. What makes it worse is that Britain really should have been in pole position to understand the ins and out of the regional politics.

      I wouldn't fancy being Milliband or Ainsworth, but it is a hole of their own making, although those who are really paying the price are ordinary Afghans and Pakistanis.

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