Naked scans: Net cries nude-o-geddon

Unlikely claim

"Besides, images taken by the scanners are not ever saved to any form of permanent medium, so there is no scope for images to be played with in this way."

Sorry, I don't believe you. There are good legal reasons why the images must be retained - such as a dispute between the passenger and the airport about the search.

Spot the lie

>> and that no images are ever saved within the system.

Really? Then where did the test images that we see on TV and in the press come from? And if images really aren't saved then how will they be used as evidence?

But do they work?

Should we be asking if the damn things actually work first?

I find it very hard to believe that anything out there would stop any competent organization or individual from actually blowing up a plane if they really wanted to do it.

What actually keeps us safe is that only insane people want to blow themselves up in planes and the nutters are very very rarely competent.

On the other hand there's a lot of money in Security Theater.

How soon before our right to Privacy is completely eroded away?!

Who watches the watchers ? Who makes sure they are following the rules ? Would you trust them ?

And if children are not to be scanned (which I fully agree with), what is the point of the scanners ? Terrorists will just send kids through with explosives.

This is just the next attack on our privacy in the name of security. I agree security is important but there has to be a better way ?!

There's a shortage of low grade fuzzy porn?

This is a national crisis the like of which we have not faced before. There must be an immediate high-level Government enquiry and we must immediately break out the emergency MPEGs.

In this time of our greatest need, none shall go wanting for hand shandy material.

Paris, obviously...

Obvious arse-covering solution

Tinfoil underpants

Should be on issue to all politicians already.

(I do hope they're not trying to sterilise the hoi-polloi)

Government contradiction at it's best.

"Besides, images taken by the scanners are not ever saved to any form of permanent medium, so there is no scope for images to be played with in this way."

This directly contradicts a statement by a Manchester Airport spokesman in a Grauniad article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn-laws

"Airport officials say the scanner image is only seen by a single security officer in a remote location before it is deleted."

So which is it, are the streamed to a screen with no recording function or are they stored temporarily. If it's the latter, then we can assume that it'll be done in the most half assed way possible as per Government guidelines.

Personally I'm really not bothered about the idea of these scanners and think the child pr0n argument is a load of bollox. However it's nice to see the "War against Terrorism" collide spectacularly into "Think of the children". What does happen when an unstoppable force meets an unmoveable object?

Surely it's crossed their minds...

A cheapo digital camera or phone will easily grab these images off the screen. Better yet operators, search ebay for spy camera, job's a good 'un.

Can el reg get a competition going to name the website that will host all these images? (scanbook.com? 4scan.org? scannr.com?)

As for the matter of under 18s, this is where all that 'think of the children' legislation has got us. Even police-screened security personnel that are protecting us from terrorists might still be peados, and for some reason it's illegal to see a human being in their natural state.

Actually I think this is a damn fine idea...

...I just remember to change my underwear more than once a week!

Paris, because she doesn't wear any!

Already planned

It should be noted that in September 2008, the Telegraph reported in an article entitled "EU to introduce 'virtual strip searches' at airports by 2010", that Britain (along with the rest of the EU) were required to have these body scanners installed by April 2010. The 'pants bomber' is the convenient excuse to gain public support of these scanners.

This is great

As I approach my 40th birthday this really helps my self confidence.

Just when I am thinking that I am past my prime I find that not only does my government want to see me naked and even take pictures but that there may even be a market out there for this kind of thing.

So now I am feeling great about myself

And how...

... are we to discover this low level smut among all of the high grade glossy smut currently whizzing round the intrawebs?

And why would we bother?

I look forward to

airportvixens.com

Missing word:

YET !

There is simply no potential for images captured by the scanners to be reversed YET.

"Besides, images taken by the scanners are not ever saved to any form of permanent medium YET"

"airport will not involve the scanning of any children under the age of 18 YET"

But then again, there is no way of matching CCTV data to the Uber database - YET.

Blair / Brown wet dream

One database, with your all your details, footage of your movements, your car movements history (inc footage), high res images of you in the buff.

Not possible YET, but only becuase of a lack of funds....

Of course it's to protect us from terrorists & crime.

10 years ago, saying all your movements in public would be tracked by cameras, would be considered as paranoia, fast forward to now?

bombers

under 18 not scanned? Sweet, lets start recruiting disaffected 17 year old muslims instead!

As if airport security needed more reasons to act....

like complete wankers.

But on the plus side it will be easy to find all the Pedo's now. Just arrest the freak checking out your kids on the x-ray camera.

Will I be able to complain to somebody if I spot the guy has a boner after perving children with his x-ray camera? Obviously I won't be able to complain at the time because the guy would just accuse me of being a terrorist and subject me to an internal investigation.

This Government has to go.........

The Paedophiles Are Applying

The reality is that every paedophile in the country is busy preparing their CV for any and every vacancy in security at UK airports.

Very recent experience has shown us that social work departments and child care and nurseries are prime targets with very sophisticated and successful infiltration going on all around the country in order to gain access to children. In many ways, they have a much greater record of success than the terrorists have had.

Fuzzy images or not, the whole body scanners are an absolute dream come true and an opportunity they will not miss.

US reports confirm that the scanners do capture and can send images - the denials are just being made to try and avoid some of the criticisms of a poorly thought out and ill conceived piece of security theatre.

Perspective

"However, that doesn't mean that the introduction of full-body scanners - particularly with regard to younger travellers - isn't going to raise some uncomfortable issues; not least for Gordon Brown."

Or indeed the poor bastard watching the nude-ray as Gordon Brown passes through customs. Mine's the one with the lead-lined glasses in the pocket, thanks.

Yeah, but...

While I hate the idea myself, one has to wonder that IF you're going to do the whole nekkid scan thing, then surely you do need to keep the pictures?

- Person sues for abuse. Authorities need to go "Look - that's why we orifice-searched you"

- Bomber gets through (as they surely will) Authorities need to go back and see how they got through scanner undetected.

- etc.

I oppose the whole idea, seeing how it is all security theatre anyway. But if not day one (to avoid the hoohah) I have no doubt at all that scans WILL be kept. To not do so would be illogical.

I get me coat... oh hang on, no need - they can see through it.

Somebody needs to tell 'stalin' brown

That the terrorists have won.

Given a terrorist is someone that wants to annoy and disrupt a society by affecting the military, politic, infrastructure or econominc processes.

Then our so called government have done more to help the terrorists, than any terrorist campaign. The IRA must be kicking themselves at how easy it has been.

Double standards...

If they're not scanning the naked bodies of anyone under the age of 18, then they're basically saying "Yes, we know we're looking at something we shouldn't and are invading their privacy so we can't look at kids naked."

If it's so harmless they can check out naked kids too. I mean it's not sexual, is it - they're practically doctors. Nobody ever stole or lost data, nope.

And certainly no terrorist or bomb carrier was ever under 18, or carried a bomb because his family were threatened.

4chan anyone?

/b/

enough said.

Strip Searched...

Looks like we need to effectively add being Strip Searched to the list of our lost rights.

The irony is if someone is determined to kill themselves (and others) then sadly history shows they will always find a way, no matter how much of a Police State we create to try to stop them and in the mean time, history shows the Police State causes far more social hardship and suffering for everyone than just one suicidal arrogant bullying terrorist. Also we didn't have this Police State back when we had to suffer the IRA, yet for the most part, life just continued and people just got on with their lives without problems.

So where is this Police State going to end, now even strip searches are being added to the list? (If any of us could travel back in time even just 20 years, to tell people about now, no one would believe a description of the world we have now. Makes me wonder where its going. What is unthinkable now, that won't be in another 20 years at this rate).

under 18s

I wonder how them that's in power will sleep after the first attempted bombing by a child (are 17year old's really children?)

Forced into this because "think of the chilllllldrun" created a unique op for them to be abused by them that "don't think of the chilllllldrun"

As they say...

Who will watch the watchers?

I fully expect to see some of these images floating around the net at some point during the next year, with a seedy voyeuristic theme.

Any images I find will be forwarded directly to the PM and posted on as many websites as I can find, just to make it clear that I do not agree with a PFY staring at this kind of "fuzzy smut" of everyone's grandmothers.

Surely computers could be trained up on this instead??

Are you the problem?

We don't need these scanners. We have never needed these scanners.

Nor do we need the ID cards, ID database, mandatory RFID chips on our vehicles.

We do not need CCTV, constant telephone, email and web snooping.

We do not need treaties that subjugate use to the whim of foreign powers.

Get down to the ballot box and vote.

Don't give me that "They're all the same" shit, that just makes you part of the problem (as well as being reprehensibly pathetic). If you truly believe that, then stand yourself. I guarantee you that you are not alone. And if the idea of getting off your own lazy arse fills you with terror, then at least support someone else who was brave enough to do something, not just sit on their couch and moan, moan, moan.

The next time you walk past a war memorial, think to yourself "What did they die for?". If you let the state carry on cutting our freedoms the way they are, I'll tell you the answer to that one: nothing. Their deaths will be meaningless and you will have made them meaningless through your own inaction and procrastination.

Vote, protest, resist; or watch your country die before your eyes.

Hot or not?

Maybe these images could go on a new version of www.amihotornot.com? Brings new meaning doesn't it?