Wacky Jacqui defends Michael Savage ban

Why not leave Mr Savage to the Americans and deal with the people here

Come on, there are plenty of people saying abjectionable things about MP's and their expenses. Why not lock them up for 42 days without charges? All the bad publicity about the banks could have been avoided by jailing anyone who talked about them. Where was president Alvaro Colom when we needed him.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/18/twittero_cuffed/

A couple thoughts

First, Britain, thank you for reminding me that US politicians don't have the First World's monopoly on stupidity and time-wasting.

Second, if she's going to ban people for being offensive and hateful, why not go after Jeremy Hardy? He's funny, but has an automatic hatred for anyone even vaguely middle class.

Airport notices

John Gummer is clearly more of a linguist that I'd thought ... from my experience most of the notices at immigration now are in polish and I, for one, don't know what please or thankyou in polish is!

re sign here

I am not going to click on a like with "jsmithporn" anywhere in it the mentle image alone if almost enought to make me sick!

Hang on a minute ...

Coming to the UK is a "privilege"? Are you serious? I demand the Reg hacks double-check this quote, because I can't believe that anyone feels that way about this flea-bitten shitbag corner of the North Sea.

@David Webb

"Gandalf will be pretty pissed if he wants to return to Middle Earth via Gatwick!"

Yeah, but it'll be fine as long as he can convince airport security to not part an old man with his walking stick...

In all seriousness, Mr. Savage is one of the more utterly repugnant people I have had the pleasure of witnessing, but Jacqui's policy is, indeed, ludicrous.

Plus, as I mentioned in another post about this issue, anything making it more difficult to get Savage the hell out of the United States is a negative in my book.

p!ss off tory boy

I hate Jacqui Smith with a passion ( http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/jsmithporn/ please sign it, please, I beg you) but this guy is a gay bashing jerk and is on of a very long list of people who we should be politely declining permission to enter this country.

I don't see why we should bend over and take a shafting just because this guy is a yank and has Hillary (an otherwise quite reasonable woman for an american) to do his dirty work for him; he's a dick and a bigot and the borders around this country are our borders and we can pick and choose who we allow in.

Do you really think any other country would be listening to criticism about this sort of decision or even bothering to defend it? The US quietly bans people every day and they make it very clear that people entering the country can be excluded with or without reason and they effectively have no rights at the border, I wish we had a similar arrangement so that we could exclude:

All preachers of hate

Any supporters of any form of violence to achieve political aims

George W Bush

His dad

Anyone currently camped in Sangatte

Anyone even remotely associated with Westboro Baptist Church

Anyone with an israeli passport (it's not a real country so they don't have real passports).

Don't infringe their freedom of speech or their rights to do what they like elsewhere, just turn them away at the door because we don't want it here.

A Very Dangerous Principle

@A J Styles - and what happens when a homophobic Home Secretary of the future decides that we need "protecting" from pro-gay speech? (Have you forgotten Clause 28?) The principle that the government should decide what is "acceptable speech" is extraordinarily dangerous. In the long run no free society can sustain itself where free speech has been replaced acceptable-to-the-government-of-the-day speech.

Coming to the UK is a privilege.

Since when? Now I understand this woman - she clearly doesn't in the same UK as me.

Why?

is she 'defending' this decision - it's self-evident that it's a correct decision (albeit possibly the only correct one she's made)?

why do people not get....

... that it is NOT A RIGHT to come to any country you want, its a privilage, if the country doesn't want you , they don't have to let you in.

I love how eveyrone goes on saying that jackie shouldn't be able to say tht she doesn't want person x in the country. Then goes on about freedom of speech, given the fact that they just said that jackie shouldn't have freedom of speech.

If you don't like it here, change it, or sod off somewhere else and leave us be.

Hmmmm

'Reports that the Home Office is rolling out some new signage reading "Welcome to Britain: No jeans, no trainers, no Russkie skinheads, no fascists, no suicide bombers, no white wizards and no shock-jocks. Have a nice day" are unconfirmed.'

How about just a simple "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"

Mr Pragmatic

Strangely I have no view on this particular case... couldn't possible comment etc. etc. etc.

However... the general issue is with (as in most cases) the appearance or arbitrariness, inconsistency, etc. etc. etc. (fave word today)

Etc.

Oh... I've just found a view. Since Mr Savage isn't actually a(n alleged) terrorist and might merely attempt to warp our tiny little minds, isn't likely to go into hiding or want to stay here, why not let him in and boot him out the moment he breaks the law (inciting racial hatred or whatever etc. etc. etc. ) if actually does. The balance is wrong - again. It's not as though closing the border to him prevents him being heard here, does it?

Oh - and @AC re WJ's "freedom of speech": I don't mind what she says, I mind what she does and how she does it. If she were reduced to being a crock jock 'twould be a great improvement.

Etc.

target is either too large or too small

Sad part is, the hateful little SOB couldn't BUY better advertising than this!

Unfortunately, we'll never know why she singled this guy out, and didn't include all his cohorts. People like Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Pat Robertson, and the hundreds of other Americans who make Savage's brand of hatred look tame.

Hmmmmmm

IIRC John Gummer, or John Selwyn Gummer before the re-brand is the politician who at the height of worry about CJD and dodgy meat publicly fed a beefburger to his four year old daughter. Heathrow may be impolite but at least they don't play petty politics with their own daughter's life.

@Mickey Mouse: "Now I understand this woman - she clearly doesn't in the same UK as me."

Of course not. You and I live in a UK where we work 35-40 hours (on average) per week with the odd bit of overtime for a reasonable wage. A fair chunk of which is then taken away in taxes, fuel bills, mortgage, food, transport, clothes, furniture and a myriad of other expenses*. Assuming that we have access to interweb either at work or at home then there are many people much less well off than us in the country.

Jacquie, along with other MPs live in a UK where she gets paid 2.5-3 times the national average** wage for maybe 20 hours a week, and gets pretty much all her bills, including mortgage, food, transport, fuel, furniture, clothes, porn etc. paid for her. Arguably so much so that she can also make a healthy profit*** (JS: "I don't know why people are whining about the recession, eating food is making me £200 profit per month alone.....")

*To us an expense is something that costs us money, to politicians it is something that feathers their nests. Interesting semantic difference there I find.

** http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

***Look at the numbers of MPs just writing cheques to pay back large amounts of cash, £13k, £20k, even £41k. You cannot have that kind of cash spare and need to steal your porn money from me. I would have to sell my house / house, kidney and car / house, kidney, car, kids, neighbours & soul respectively to obtain those amounts of cash.

"it is NOT A RIGHT to come to any country you want"

Of course it isn't. You're the one who doesn't get it.

Yes, countries have a right to refuse entry to anyone they want according to any criteria they want. (For example, Albania used to refuse entry to men with beards.)

However, a lot of people think that the UK should not be refusing entry to people according to the whims of a lunatic witch. Moreover, putting Savage on a list of banned people serves no useful purpose. All it does is give him free publicity and make the UK look stupid. (Well, arguably it is perhaps useful to make the UK look stupid ...)

I want to make some thing clear

Us yanks don't Care. We don't give a shit . I've seen a more about this here in the Reg than I have in the news media. Even fox news have given up on this story.

Disclaimer. I only watch fox news cause some times you need to know what these nutters are trying to push through.

BROKEN BRITAN

NuLabour inter-ferin with our freedom of speach again, innit. This ain't gonna bring Maddie home, is it? If U lot all like Ammerica so much WHY DON@T YOU GO LIVE THERE??

@matt

Show me proof that Obama was involved. Ps your opinion does not count for much since you clearly hate Obama .

Exchange

How about we let him in, so long as they take Jacqui and never let her return (and take J.Ross with her, so long as exports of his inevitable US brand of drivel is not allowed to reach our shores).

Cut the crap

Expenses have nothing to do with any of this. As much as i dislike this woman i have to aplaud her on this, at least shes earning those expenses with this decision. And criticism from some deadwood, far right old tories hardly matters.

And as for the arguement of avoiding giving aditional publicity to this little jewish extremist matters little either when has no outlet here.

@exchange

Ok we will take Jacqui and up to 4 other politicians you don't want . Now to be fair you must take rush Limbaugh and allow fox news to relocate in London ./

@Jimmy Floyd

The expression you are looking for is: a wasp landing on a stinging nettle. Somebody is going to get stung and you don't care who.

@Tim J

Look at the parliament channel any time, the place is empty. And they get something like 30 weeks of recess a year.

When I first saw your post I thought you were going to harangue me on the basis that 20 hours is an over estimation...

So, which party are you an MP for?

@ TIm J

"You might not like what she's doing - you might not like what any of the MPs are doing - but fuck right off with your arsehole analysis about the number of hours they work!"

It's not unreasonable to assume she only works 20 hours - if she worked as long and as hard as you claim, then she'd have done something right by now even if it was only accidental.

As for busting a gut to deal with our queries, the last time I wrote to my (Conservative) MP and specifically asked for HIS stance on an issue, he forwarded my letter to Ruth fucking Kelly!

It's very easy to say "most MPs aren't that bad" but just try and find one of these hard working MP.

She's an idiot

After all, she is in charge of the police - police who used severe violence on the G20 protestors.

Maybe Dear Leader Jacqui needs to abolish herself and her thuggish minions from the UK too. Now *that* would be justice indeed.

I can see the headlines now:

DEAR LEADER VISITS OSLO, REFUSED RE-ENTRY AT HEATHROW

That woman makes me sick, and that's at a distance of several thousand miles.