Lucky Mancs could get ID cards first, Jacqui declares

This is how it begins

First there's the extreme porn law, governing what your allowed to see, next there'll be ID cards then, over the next labour government, there will be thought police monitoring for illeagal ideas via the handy Japanese mind scanning tech.

Bring out the straight jacket

the men in white suits want to talk to Jacqui.

Shell suits....

"..shell-suited scrotes of southern Manchester.."??? Ha ha ha - I have vision's of the little sh*tes running round with illuminous yellow shell suits and big black curly wigs shouting "calm down, calm down, calm down"!! :-)

Paris in a shell suit.... Mmmmmm

@evil auditor

Errrmmm... because it's backed by the biggest database of any size made anywhere detailing every breath you take and move you make.

Halt! Ihre Papieren, bitte!

Bang go my semi-regular Saturday night visits to Manchester for Jilly's Rock World. I get stopped and hassled quite enough by the Mancunian Plod as it is* without them dragging me off because I don't have a WackyCard, and therefore must be a terryrist**.

The only thing I can't wait for is to be rid of this lot. We need to learn something about civil disorder from the French and Italians, because the gov don't seem to understand that they are headed by the most despised people in the country, and we're fed up of their bullshit and draconianism.

*long hair, leathers. I thought the police stopped hassling metalheads in favour of gangsta rappers years ago, but they seem to make an exception for me...

** Asian missus and I have a beard. Nuff said, just ignore the fact that I'm usually arseholed at this time and chainsmoking, and Islam forbids beer & fags.

More lies dripping from her mouth

LLast time I checked you didn't need an identity card to open a bank account, or to travel to Europe, or to rent a flat. A passport would cover all three.

With the intelligence services saying that about 80 arrests was all that was needed to almost eliminate the threat from terrorists in the UK, what level of infringement of liberties to the whole 60 million population is justified to continue Labour's reign of fear?

Bottom line is this:

They preserve their position by giving people something to be frightened of, and nurture that fear - terrorism - and anyone is branded a terrorist if they don't agree with the party - even long time activists of the party who are appalled at the way it is being subverted.

They create a panic over an issue and then quote invalid statistics to back up the draconian methods they introduce to clamp down on what is basically a non-event - knife crime.

They continue to over legislate, introduce such diverse and complicated laws that no one but a legal professional can be expected to know if they are breaking the law or not, with ambiguous and knee-jerk reactions being trotted out to maintain the image that they are actually doing something. They measure activity, not results.

They squander the nation's wealth, placing your children, and your children's children in hock for the rest of their lives - they make the errors, they buy votes, and we have to pay for it.

In 1984 at the The Party had the dignity to admit that it acquired power for the sake of power. It should be a warning, not a "how-to" manual.

I'm ashamed and appalled that Jacqui Smith represents a constituency close to where I was born, that the people who live where I was born are prepared to support someone who pushes down on liberty and democracy in such a manner, and doesn't have the honour and dignity to accept that she is culpable for her ways.

As a good friend of mine once said, I'd rather risk a bomb than be a fascist.

I hope Manchester, traditionally a labour stronghold, stands up to the government on this issue, though I think it unlikely that they will risk another referendum after the congestion charge imposition was so roundly rejected by the people who live there.

Jaqui Smith...

...the only woman I have ever referred to as a 'knob end'.

The Daily Mash says it best, though...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/public-can%27t-wait-to-be-truncheoned-across-the-jaw%2c-says-smith-200811071383/

@ Shell suits AC

Black curly wigs + "calm down, calm down" = Scousers, not Mankies

Going walkabout in Moss Side then, Jacqui?

I am quite sure the inhabitants will be rushing up to you in the street to let you know how they can't wait for you to force ID cards on them.

Nice to know, too, that times have changed since you couldn't walk around Peckham without a police escort, never mind south Manchester.

Paris, because it's a town on Mars near to the capital city, Wibble.

Seriously delusional

or is it the big lie?

"People come up and say they can't wait that long".

Or can she not detect sarcasm?

If she can seriously say that people are in favour of ID cards, with a straight face, her talent is unbounded.

Did she mention the cost?

If she didn't start the conversation with, "This ID card will cost you £80 (but of course as an MP I get mine for free.)" I doubt she would have got a realistic assessment of the cards popularity.

Ugh...

I'm glad i'm European; I can just leave and start working elsewhere within Europe without much hassle. I'm going to Finland. At least they have a decent heavy metal scene.

Care to join me, Mike?

No thank you, Miss Wacky

I do not need the governments permission to travel, work or buy drinks, tyvm.

Has everyone joined their local No2ID group via http://no2id.net yet ?

But she's right

Some of us can't wait for the cards, you can't refuse to have one until they are made available.

Wacqui.....

doesn't even *begin* to describe this woman's barking-madness is she actually believes anyone with an IQ above that of a brain-damaged gerbil would think having their intimate details on this Orwellian Stasibase is a good idea.

Which is why she only talks about ID cards and not the highly intrusive and unnecessary database that is behind them.

Passports.

"A passport would cover all three."

Or, far more wallet-friendly, a driving license. I think you'll find that rather more people have one than a passport too. Photo-ID ones have been out for some time now.

Of course, the *real* problem that they're trying to address is that not everyone has a passport and/or a driving license. Take away the compulsory aspect of ID cards and the whole thing becomes a white elephant to everyone, including the government. From this, it's fairly easy to see that any politician trotting out the official noncommital waffle on whether or not they want them compulsory is an out-and-out barefaced liar*.

*Presumably Wacky Jaqui wears asbestos pants as she hasn't burst into flames in public yet.

Pointless

This bunch of cnuts aren't going to be around long enough to ever get this mad scheme off the ground, let alone paid for!

So to quote our SCOUSE cousins - "calm down, calm down"!

Lucky us

I love Jacqui comment that the ID card will allow us to open a bank account, rent a flat and travel to Europe for the first time.... of course so far we are all living under bridges with spare change and never go further than the kebab shop!

Paris because Gordon "Government nightmare"......

"shell-suited scrotes of southern Manchester"??

"shell-suited scrotes of southern Manchester"

That's the same South Manchester that has Hale, Hale Barns, Timperly, Knutsford, Marple, Wilmslow etc then - hardly chav-ville what with all the footballers' wives

* "Some of us can't wait for the cards, you can't refuse to have one until they are made available."

QFTW!

Sting in the tail

@Frank: "It's backed by the biggest database of any size made anywhere detailing every breath you take and move you make"

Ah, now I see, it's not going to be run by the police but by The Police.

Re: Lucky us

There's a reason she's using those three examples (she could also have added "get a job"): the Labour government have been requiring you to present identification to prove you have a right to reside and work in the UK for a while now. So she can now simply say, "Oh look, this ID card solves the problem of all the other identification you would otherwise have to supply". it's not a long step from there to requiring you - under law - to present your ID card to the bank/landlord/employer before you can open an account, rent a flat or work. Of course, given Labour's definition of "voluntary", it'll still be a voluntary card - you just won't be able to function in society without it. "Voluntary Entitlement Card" anyone?

@ Shakje

"I still think that big Gord has the best chance of salvaging the economy."

ROFL

Who the hell do you think sold all our gold (at the cheapest price he could get for it), spent all the countries savings, and then pension funds when he ran out of savings, and got the country into more debt that it has been in for donkeys of years.....

"big Gord's" policies have also encouraged the populace to get into record debt levels that are not sustainable in the long term no matter how much people wish they were, your average student now leaves university with £20,000 debt.

We have been changed from a nation of savers to a nation of debt whores!!!

So what is the solution to all of this? I know reduce VAT to 15% to encourage people to spend more money and get into yet more debt and borrow a shed load more money to piss up the wall..... Good one "big Gord" you most definetly are the "saviour of the economy"

Mines the one with the mostly complete emmigration papers in the pocket.....

@grom

Chav is a class thing, not a money thing. Footballers' wives *are* chavs.

@grom

I think you'll find the residents of Knutsford, Wilmslow etc all swear blind they live in Cheshire.

@ Shell suits AC

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You clearly aren't from t'North. That would be scousers from Liverpool. Mancs are a completely different type of person (swagger, accent, etc.).

Ah - I remember Manchester. Lots of "our kid this..."

Here's a B3TA flash video (NSFW - lots of swearing) about vikings at a kebab shop in Rusholme...

http://www.rathergood.com/val_halal

Getting back on-topic how is the ID card going to work? The security infrastructure required probably isn't in place. Are card bureau's lined up to produce cards. Having worked on ID card projects in the past - giving these to young children/teens will resort in a huge return rate on damaged cards (using them to scrape ice of windows etc).

I would have much preferred how they do it in Sweden where the ID card is from your bank (i.e. the picture printed on the credit/debit card) along with occupation and where. They have a huge security infrastructure and the ID card applicaiton (if its a JCOP/Java Card) just needs to be placed alongside the other applications such as Visa Chip and Pin.

Travel to Europe?

You can't even fly from London to Manchester without a passport, and former colleagues of mine from Spain who could fly to France and Germany with just their national ID cards needed a passport to fly to U.K.. I very much doubt this government will suddenly relax restrictions if we all have ID cards, so that blows that argument for having them out of the water.

ID cards, my @rse

I don't particularly have a problem with ID cards, so long as I don't have to carry it around with me, don't have to show it to anyone and don't have to pay for it.

I'd just lock it away along with my passport, driving license, EHIC, Birth Certificate etc....

The thing that I don't get about ID cards is they are supposed to help in the fight against identity theft and terrorism. Surely the Government and others could help in that by keeping our personal data secure. As for terrorists, it seems to me that they wouldn't bother too much, since they seem to like posting videos on the internet advertising exactly what they've done.