Scientology threatens Wikileaks with injunction The Church of Scientology has acknowledged that Wikileaks is offering the world quick and easy access to the church's top-secret "bibles". Or should that be formerly top-secret? On March 24, the swashbuckling truth-seekers at Wikileaks.org published what they referred to as "the collected secret 'bibles' of Scientology," and …
I read an extremely long and incredibly thorough article about scientology written in the mid '80s, or so, and published, I believe, in Time magazine. It was pretty terrifying.
Before I read the article, I pegged scientology as a group of wackos who suckered people out of some money and went on their way. Unfortunately, this is not the case - the description I read was of a group which, after a recruit sold everything he owned to pay their fees and finally quit, hounded him until he committed suicide.
Then a whole group of them stalked his family until his funeral.
Police are apparently powerless to do anything, because individual officers are so intimidated - any individual who comes to their attention is gradually and methodically destroyed. And without 'real' crimes committed, the will to hold the organization accountable isn't there.
As far as I'm concerned, wikileaks is right, and more. Scientology, as far as I'm concerned, is a criminal organization, and I'd lose no sleep over violating their copyright, and more than I would over violating the Mafia's copyright. And I mean that in every sense.
As with what happened with DECSS, I hope that the more the CoS protests and threatens wikileaks, more people will begin to host these files until its impossible for their 'secrets' to remain private. Scientology is a cult and a dangerous one at that. They ruin peoples lives for the benefit of their elite few and it needs to be stopped.
Aren't these documents the same as the so-called "Fishman papers" that have been floating around the 'net for years, despite the best efforts of the scientologists and their lawyers to suppress them? IIRC, the Fishman papers went all the way to OT13, ie several mortgages above OT8.
Paris, because she'd make such a wonderful recruit for the scientologists.
Yes it's important to shine light on this group of dangerous loonies but we have other dangerous loonies to cope with right now, possibly you could handle CoS on your side of the pond. We will be with you when we have figured out this whole forced-sex-teen-bigamy thing, kthxbai.
--USA
Not L. Ron Hubbard.
IIRC, it was a "David Mayo" who wrote a great deal of the OT series and later got embroiled in a lawsuit with Scientology over exactly who held copyright to these inane maunderings. The lawsuit, as least the report of it I read, was interesting as an example of Scientology's love of saying X today and not X tomorrow, depending on which way the wind is blowing.
It's not even clear that the Church(spit!) of Scientology holds the copyright to the OT series, as they lost a lawsuit somewhere along the line that resulted in the loss of their assets to somebody or other.
It's a long tangled tale that I long ago lost interest in, but if you google the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology from 1995-1998, say, you will find all sorts of interesting dirt.
Operating thetans, my eye! Xenu would laugh if he heard that!
For the uninitiated, a quick summary: we are infested with "body thetans", who seem to be disembodied souls that parasitize us. The OT series purports to offer ways of detaching these body thetans from us, to our benefit, whereupon we ourselves become Operating Thetans. I forget where Xenu comes into all this, but it's so hokey it's beyond laughable. Sadly, there are people out there so desperate for a silver bullet to fix their lives that they'll swallow guff and lies and fantasies like these hook, line, and sinker...to their great detriment.
For those inclined to poke sticks through the bars and annoy the Scientologists, don't bother. They are quite nasty when aroused and will sooner or later self-destruct without any help.
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A Real dDeep Thinker Tinker was Cicero..... http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero ... with his double dDutch GBIrish in Latin PGP2 ....Pretty Good Privacy PerlyGatesPython. A Man Born and Borne of Woman in a Time and Place in Time and Space and Born and Borne Immortal through Words for Deeds ReMembered for Recycling Repetition in Future Buildings that Create Noble Societies out of Chaotic Confusion and its ArchAlly, Hubris...... for the Vanity and Madness that is the Insanity of Man failing 42BTrue......a Prize Fool to Himself and Everyone Else and a Mother and Natures Greatest Gift Squandered and Mindlessly Abused.
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...and in penury bind them.
I am glad this dangerous cult is not recognised as a religion here, and long may it continue. It would be even better if it was expulsed from these shores.
I haven't seen these documents yet, maybe I'll go and download them before they're gone.
Doesn't this sound a little worrying on its own? Do you have to find a handy massacre ground? And if you don't live in Rwanda/the Former Yugoslavia, are you required to make your own? Maybe the Catholic Church was trying to improve its meditation techniques on its little sojurns to the Holy Land...
wasn't he the guy that used prehistory earth as a prison planet then blew up all the volcanoes killing the prisoners which freed their spirits and allowed them to become the body thetans??
i'd buy the book if iain banks wrote it
sounds like a corker
paris cos i wish i was a body thetan infesting her
Shouldn't we be condemning Wikileaks for abusing copyright? How are they different from the people we label "freetards", since both flout law and intellectual property rights in the name of 'openness' rhetoric? After all, if authors of intellectual property cannot be guaranteed a return over the course of their lifetimes because everyone's stealing it, they will stop writing fake-spiritual dangerous psychobollocks bibles...
...oh wait, I think I see where the hypocrisy train is going and for once it's somewhere quite nice. Single, please.
I've yet to hear what the Church of Scientology intends on doing once the copyright on their works expires and there's nothing to defend. Unless Hubbard only founded the Church as a money-making business and there was no point in it continuing after his death. I guess we'll never know. Oh wait, we do, he's on record as saying he was going to found a church as a money-making business.
"ou know, can't we collect up the sayings of amanfromMars and bind them into a copyrighted volume or two? At least he makes sense after you've studied his teachings for a while."
yes but what would we call our new cault/riligon "marsintoligy"? "amanisum"? this is the most importent thing and the reasion 9/10 religions fail in there first year
Rather ask what you can do for Anon.
13th April - Operation Reconnect
If you think the Cult of Scientology is a dangerous organisation both to its members and its critics, why not join in the protests and do something to help those in its clutches.
Last month, Anon partied hard with plenty of cake! :)
Normal Scientology tactics of litigation and intimidation won't work against WikiLeaks, because they can't get to the individuals to get to, and even if a US Judge rules in their favour, wikileaks can safely ignore it by being outside their jurisdiction.
WikiLeaks: Because anonymous is doing it wrong.
Just because they read a load of whacky shite doesn't make it dangerous.
While people should be cautioned against joining whacky cults, it's not really any of our business is it? What happened to religious freedom?
People should be cautioned against all sorts of dangerous pursuits, sky diving, gambling, drinking, smoking, (most fun things actually :( ) but that doesn't mean we should be staking out sky diving centres wearing masks and jeering.
It's their stuff, and it's basically nicked isn't it? Just cos it's shite doesn't mean that copyright doesn't apply or Britney would be in trouble as well.
I don't think there's anybody who's not in this cult that doesn't think it's bollocks anyway.
Don't worry L. Ron was a sci-fi writer. I'm still waiting for someone to find the piece of paper where he explains how it was all a massive joke - although I suspect a) the believers will refuse to believe it and b) the organization will have too much to lose to release it.
It’ll probably go something like this:
Ha,ha. You fools. You'd believe anything. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Hmm, second thoughts, unfortunately It'd be one of those books that I get two pages into before giving it up as unfathomable and putting it on my shelf alongside A Brief History of Time. A bit like an SNMP book I went through a few years ago (which included a line that went something like "This SNMP book isn't supposed to be fun" - well the author was right about that).
As was once stated "I may not agree with you, but I will fight to the death for your right to state it".
I hear a lot about people spouting crap, a lot of which I disagree with; but as long as they are not promoting the killing of innocent or infringing on other rights then this right has to be paramount. The issue is not whether you agree but how far are you willing to let business and gov't go to censor stuff and remove your rights. Today it is just a book like this, but in a few years time it could be your right to complain about thier being idiots on a forum.
Sound far fetched, just take a look at what the US, UK, and Canadian gov't are currently doing.
However, CoS say they are a religious organisation. For tax breaks etc. But how many bibles do you know that are copyrighted? None?
Also, if it is a Trade Secret, that secret is lost. If it's copyrighted, it's not a trade secret.
And copyright is STILL a civil tort. So how much are CoS harmed financially by the reviewing of their religious texts? Not at all, unless they themselves know it to be useless junk that would scare off any sane person before they get to brainwash them.
And if that doesn't show up how they are talking out of both sides of their face(?), what will?
It's not like censorship though, this is their own material they are attempting to restrict. If someone got their mitts on your diary wouldn't you expect to be able to stop them publishing it?
If there was some disclosure in the public interest in this then I'd agree with you. If your diary had some admission of guilt for instance there'd be a reason to publish that too. But this isn't whistle blowing, it's just winding up a bunch of nutters by exposing their secret magic book.
I suggest you check out about operation freakout. where they harassed and made up false bomb threats against themselves and others by paulette cooper, because she wrote a book critical of the Co$, they broke into her house and stole headed stationary that had her finger prints on.
Also watch the panorama documentary by John Sweeney, yes the one where he blows his top, you can see the same type of harassment going on. then watch the "panorama truth" video and looky here a bomb threat from either John Sweeney or the BBC. If you believe that the beeb or sweeney issued a bomb threat then you'll believe anything.
Oh by the way they mostly deny the wacky beliefs until too far in, because they claim that scientology is compatible with other faiths. By which stage the Co$ has so much stuff to blackmail you with through the "auditing sessions" it's dangerous to leave.
Is not really a religion and while it acts like a business, it's not that either. They are using advanced psychology and the so called OT levels are steps of self induced brainwashing. The so called 'getting rid of thetans' thing is actually the erasing of various parts of one's personality. They start with willpower and memories, then switch to various lower levels, until they earase everything that makes someone a person. Btw, this thing is called 'soul' by some older religions. When someone reaches the highest levels, they earse the control over basic biological functions. This makes someone 'clear' or in other worlds soulless.
If we think the church of science fiction psychology (short: scientology) is just a cult we are right, but they are one of the more dangerous kind, because all that someone finds in it is just death, just not their body, but their soul. I doubt even the leaders realize this though.
"this is their own material they are attempting to restrict."
Is it? I thought this was the Word Of Xenu. The Words Of Truth From A Dim And Distant Past Kept For The Present.
And so is out of copyright.
Unless it's a load of shite made up by someone recently (and HOW recently, because copyright terms changed a lot). In which case, it can be considered merely whistle blowing. After all, Deep Throat gave away State Secrets, the US was mostly UK property and so both should be rescinded and the heirs punished for stealing others' property.
If we're going to found a new religion, let me chuck in a couple of ideas:
(1) The universe is only 200 years old. (Hey, if the fundamentalist Christians can deny everything that predated the Agricultural Revolution, we ought to be able to deny everything that predated the Industrial Revolution.)
(2) Pre-pay confession. Instead of confessing your sins to a priest, you tell the priest how many Hail Marys and Our Fathers you have said and how many old ladies you have helped across the road, and you get given a choice of sins you can commit. Or you can save up the grace already accrued to use against a bigger sin the following week.
Which SF writer came up with ElRonners - a mindless horde of joggers?
Anyway, El Ron was a poor writer, the same old Aryan Race tm. images of big chested, strong men and big chested, strong (but not quite as tall) women. Phil Farmer had odd aliens shagging blonde large-breasted women and humans shagging large-breasted women. Bob Heinlein gave us 'Stranger in a Strange Land' which seems to be adopted as the sort of New Testament of El Ron's blatherings. Even though they now read just a tad sexist the writing is miles better than El Ron could ever manage.
Better watch it though or Space Captain Travolta will be visiting on a bombing run. Accompanied by Space Cadet Cruise, of course.
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