Transgender man prepares to give birth

Where do I start?

I think I'll settle with " who's your daddy?".

Sometimes...

I really really dislike having a very visual imagination!

Steve Jobs? Well some on, it's a bald head that looks like it's about to enter or exit a hole!

Yeah, but

It's a woman giving birth, not a man.

If it looks like duck...

and quacks like a duck...then it's a duck!

I see a south park episode coming on

As title :)

Whats all the hubbub?

Seriously, aside from the pronouns and the religious nutjobs, where's the problem with a woman who transgendered to a man to carry and give birth to a child? I'd call it good foresight that he kept his womb.

Granted if I was a doctor and this pair walked into my office I'd blink a few times and ask a lot of curious questions. But thats because I'm bloody curious.

Where's the IT angle though? :p

"Man"

According to society - man, according to nature - woman.

Not really as big a story as the media are making it out to be, though in fairness to ElReg at least they mentioned the word "Transgender" in the headline, as opposed to "Nostradamus rolls in his grave! Man is pregnant! World gone mad!".

"g e" hit the nail on the head for me - I find it very peculiar that a woman living as a man would seek to bear a child?

@ g e

"why would a vegetarian want a simulated meat sausage?"

A interesting philosophical question...but how do you know that the transgender subject of the article is a vegetarian?

Think of the children

Couples like this are very selfish in their desire to have kids, they don't think about what it will be like for a young child growing up with a transexual parent..

Kids can be very cruel, and as soon as other schoolkids get wind of the situation, this child is in for a very unpleasant schooling.

How's it going to get out ?

Surely there's a great big c**k at the exit port.

@I see a south park episode coming on

Who is Eric Cartman's father?

So..........

Basically she didnt want to become a man and get her bits cut out 10 years ago and opted for the meat and 2 plastic ball options "Just incase she needed the female bits again in the future"

I mean how the hell can she be legally classified as a bloke? Was the doctor blind or just stupid. If you want the deciding factor in this argument......She is having a baby.....so she is NOT a bloke/ever was a bloke and never will be.

Sounds like someone was trying to make a story out of nothing.

Any child can be bullied

"Couples like this are very selfish in their desire to have kids, they don't think about what it will be like for a young child growing up with a transexual parent.."

If everyone followed this then people wouldn't have girls in case they experience sexism, Asians wouldn't have kids in case they experience racism etc etc. You can't say someone isn't entitled to a child because they might get bullied. It doesn't make sense.

If all our parents "thought about the child suffering" hardly anyone of us would have been born.

yeap

@mark_t : please study transgenderism a little, examinate more deeply what gender dysphoria is, and come back with a brain. thanks.

and for all the "heterosexual couple is teh norm" over here. we don't speak of 'mother' and 'father' but of 'feminine referent' and 'male referent'. a woman can be a male referent, that has never been proved a problem.

</psychologist ranting>

aside from that, if this kind of event were to be more common place, perhaps we could push more openmindness in the usual normative nutjobs (be them religious or whatever else). kind of a good non-news :)

haven't any of you guys dreamt to give birth ? pregnancy would even give them a look at how bitchy they can be when doubling volume :)

How has nobody mentioned...

...that this gal comes from *Bend*? Seriously. It doesn't get any better.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to head into Asshole to get some groceries.

Well, here we go...

You know, every time something like this happens, I cringe inside. Not so much for the people involved (though I don't envy the kid), but every time we get the spotlight on the trans community the jerks come out of the woodwork. It's gonna be all "d00d, he's a she!" and "look between your legs" and on and on and on. I don't even wanna think about what my raving "family values" neighbors (I live in the Ozarks, if you call that living) are going to say. Feces, meet fan. *sigh*

Look, ok: all I'm gonna say is A) your body is the box ya came in, your mind is who you _are_. Took me a while to grok that, but tis true. And B) While I wish the couple in question all the luck in the world, I'm kinda wondering if they sat down and thought out all the consequences of this whole thing, not only for the kid's sake, but for the rest of the community. I mean, when some white guy goes off and does something stupid, people don't go, "Oh, white guys do this stupid thing," but if a transsexual does something outrageous and the general public gets wind of it, it's all "look what transsexuals do!" (grrr...)

Oh. And C) For some reason, there's a whole lot of us who are in the computer industry for some reason. Danged if I know why.

There. IT angle. Y'welcome.

Did anyone else get the

"Here's to fewer dropped balls"

in the Visual Studio ad that was running in the article?

@ AC

"Fits nicely into hot dog buns, easy to slice to add meaty chunks to pasta dishes"

Or you could just add meat.

Who is the biological father?

There's someone missing from this story - the biofather - the 'real' daddy.

I never met my biofather and the biggest problem I has when I was growing up was prejudice in others - not the fact that my 'real' daddy was not around or that I came from a single parent family.

All that really matters is that the kid is brought up in a loving environment. Some kids don't even have that.

@ zax

<flame?>

Read, man, READ the bloody story BEFORE you shove your foot into your mouth.

JEEZUS, dude; the story CLEARLY states the transgender individual KEPT HIS FEMALE PARTS INTACT.

</flame?>

I'm with Sarah Bee; it's good to see some compassion and open-mindedness in ElReg's readership for a change!

'ta, y'all!

@ Joe Montana

Joe, kids are only cruel because they have picked up cruelty from other people, I hope you aren't teaching your kids cruelty!!

Your missing the main point..

....and that is the opening line of the story: "A Oregon man who was born a woman..."

I always thought that when you are born you are either male/female or hermaphrodite. At that age you can not think like a man or like a women, you are what your are (is what ya is etc).

Am I barking up the wrong tree, or is my preconception right?

Coat for the preconception line ;)

Depends on where you live...

Whether or not the kid will have a tough childhood depends on the community. I'm in Albany (Berkeley's garbage dump -- literally! Look it up! Our women-folk got fed up in 1908, grabbed a bunch of guns, and chased off those rotten Berkelians who were dumping their trash on us). But back to the point, I live in a very liberal area. My son has one classmate with two moms, and two classmates with two dads. None of the kids think anything of it; it's perfectly normal to them. No teasing or bullying has occurred because no one around here treats it as abnormal.

But admittedly, being close to Berkeley is abnormal in and of itself...

Joe

(The alien, because anything from anywhere near Berkeley is decidedly alien).

@John Foo

not that it's any of my business but to my mind :) if you can't diagnose it physically (and there’s no chance of ever being able to then it's psychological.

anyway, clever man/woman for keeping a set of spares around, just in case.

RE: John Foo

Thanks for your Pro-choice, received wisdom, liberalism-or-death advice John.

Here's one for you to ponder...

If you actually are morally and technically superior, examine yourself and realise that your mind is the most closed here...

Your training and experience tells you that you are totally right and no-one else could ever be.

I only asked 2 questions. For which crime you condemned me. If you are the voice of correctness then I thank goodness for my brutal ignorance.

You may also notice that I have no wish to shut you up or belittle you.

If we are going to limit ourselves to gender prounouns

Then there's no winning this argument.

If you define gender by genetics = Female

By genitalia present = Female

By mind = Male

By law = Male

I don't see a problem

A kid of two lesbians or two gay men willl have much bigger problems, as the 'difference' is much more obvious to the other kids. So will the only black or the only asian kid in the school. And remember that the US West coast is pretty tolerant of non-traditional gender definitions like homosexuality and transsexualism. Land of fruits and nuts, if you haven't heard the joke (I grew up in Calif.)...

I hope all goes well for everyone.

But I am quite curious whether the father will breastfeed in public.. :-)

@Les Matthew

Kids aren't brutally honest; they're just taught brutality by adults.

I have no value judgements for you here

Just thinking of the mechanics.

YYYEEEEOOOOOWWWWWCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH!

PH, 'cause she'd try anything once...

Paternity Leave

All I can say is at least the father is garaunteed to be there for the birth

Seems alright for the Mother(non pregnant one), won't she get maternity leave?(if it were the uk, maternity leave is quite long) which could last ages.

As for the Father/(pregnant Carrier of the baby) if he only gets paternity leave (usually a couple of weeks if it were the uk) seems like he got the short end of the stick.

This is unless of course the couple have understanding employers, or they can somehow get the court to swap the rights or default over to the rights you get if you adopt where the leave for both is usually longer anyway