Safe drinking guidelines 'plucked out of the air'

Splendid...

...glad someone owned up to this. In the grand scheme of things, I'd guesstimate that a sensible amount to drink is that which doesn't get you skull-fucked, there or there abouts.

If you're dribbling like a psych patient at the end of the evening, then you've probably overdone it somewhat.

Moderation, moderation, moderation ... as it were.

How about...

...the government and the medical profession just shut up and leave us alone? The drinking guidelines were clearly nonsense from the start (why would a 6' 4" bloke have the same limits as a a 5' 6" one?), but its amazing how easily this nonsense became "fact". People know when they're drinking too much, and it should be their own business, so long as they're not breaking any laws.

I see the latest wheeze is that schools are going to inform parents if their kids are obese; I think the wheezing and puffing and three school uniforms a year might tip parents the wink, but I guess its only valid if an "official" tells you so, right?

I heard an interesting interview the other day which pointed out that when governments were proven to be incompentent in the industrial sphere and fairly incompetent in the economic sphere, they had to find somewhere else to interfere to justify their existence, and our personal lives were the obvious place. Well guess what? They're incompetent here too.

So, Im confused...

How many pints can I drink before I drive to work each morning?

Title

A quote from "Wikipedia" but backed by reliable citations:-

" Dr. R. Curtis Ellison, a physician and leading medical researcher, says that adults should have a drink a day, unless contraindicated. “The bottom line is, never go more than 24 hours without a drink” says Dr. Ellison, who is chief of preventive medicine and epidemiology at Boston University School of Medicine. Dr. Ellison recommends that other doctors prescribe a drink a day to their patients to promote better health and greater longevity. Similarly, well-known medical authority Dean Edell, M.D., asserts that “you would have to be living on another planet not to know that alcohol -- in moderation -- is good for your health.” "

I think the Labour parties methodist/non conformist roots are showing. They are still stuck in a mindset of " drink is the devils work" and are disuading people form an activity that is proven to be benificial for your health. They would rather you were teatotal, miserable and died three years earlier to cover up thier mismanagement of the pension system.

complete lack of intellectual integrity

Colleague of mine is so relieved that this admission has come to light; he had got a little confused and admitted that some days he was struggling to down the entire 21 units 'ration'.

PH angle? The correct amount to drink is where you get to the conclusion that there might be some point to her existence - then STOP

Government and facts

Now if the government actually waited for the facts, did proper studies on the impacts of both the problem and effectiveness of different methods of changing behaviour etc. - they wouldn't be able to tax it and claim it is for our own good would they (as small increases of tax seems to have very little impact on whether people drink, smoke or drive cars)

@ David Evans

I entirely agree with your sentiments that we should be able to figure out the best way to live our lives without some bureaucrat spelling it out in big letters. I think there is a place for public health warnings, particularly when the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus would have thought that a particular practice was previously safe, but is no longer.

If the government spent more effort treating the causes of problems like heart/liver disease and obesity (such as fast food being dirt cheap and designed to addict rather than satisfy), rather than the symptoms (fat kids and adults), we may actually get somewhere. It's probably a little divisive, however the smoking ban may actually be an example of something done right.

On the specific point of the article, one comment I read, which is frequently omitted, is that the recommended number of units is dependent on several variables and has to cater for the worst case scenario. The analogy given was of engineers designing a bridge to cope with the heaviest possible traffic, even though loading would be far less than this for the vast majority of the time. In the same way, the recommended number of units is based around a small, light, pre-menopausal female, who hasn't eaten before drinking and who metabolises alcohol slowly.

I thought it was long established that ...

... excessive consumption is anything more than I drink.

what's next ?

"The government's guidelines on how much it is safe to drink are based on numbers "plucked out of the air" by a committee that met in 1987."

Following the UK gov line of "restraint what is fun", I'm really looking forward to their (lack of, and subsequently, plucked out of ... their own situation ;-) study on "how frequently it is safe to have sex".

Surely some of them will claim a max of twice per month, which by the way, will do very less to influence anyone in slowing down on rumpy pumpy.

And I *do* have a Paris Hilton angle, here :-)

@Andre

Too true, too true.

My all time favourite example of speed limit insanity was heading south from the Polish War Memorial off the A40. A stretch of ordinary, boring road with some bollards and a pelican crossing. This was derestricted. 60mph. Then you hit the shiny, newish Parkway (Hayes bypass). Proper dual-carriageway with motorway-style slip roads. 50mph limit. WTF? Anyhow, somebody spotted this and next time they worked on the aforementioned single-carriageway bit they introduced 40mph signs (no hint of the 60 limit being a problem, but they did it anyway). Funny thing was, they only remembered to do this in one direction, so you could only do 40 southbound, but you could still do 60 northbound. Took 'em another 18 months to notice this particular piece of idiocy.....

I suppose

you could make a point that two 1.75L bottles of vodka a week were too much. Just about, especially if consumed at a sitting.

Quacks-R-Us

So, it's back to the age-old medical tradition of 'Making It Up As You Go,' is it? Soon we shall see learned papers on the benefits of bleeding to balance the humors, and about laudible pus, yes?

Water load of...

... Rubbish.

It's like the recommendation that you "Drink eight glasses of water a day".

Apparently Health Which? magazine once commissioned a researcher to look for data to back up this claim and after about 9 months came back and reported that he could find *NO* research in published medical journals where anyone had actually done experiments to support this figure.

Still, it's nice to know someone cares enough to tell us these lies, isn't it?

Units?

What is a unit? Cubic furlongs?

Just as I thought...

It's hardly surprising that the guidelines are are little on the cautious side. Imagine you had to recommend a national speed limit which would prevent anybody being seriously hurt or killed in road accidents. I'd probably suggest a limit of around 10mph.

When they came for the smokers

I remained silent;

I was not a smoker.

1 Fabricate facts.

2 Ban it.

3 ???

4 Profit!

You have had enough to drink

When the magical beer taxi deposits you in your bed for a sound night's kip.

Oh, and if you ever get to the point of thinking that Paris Hilton has a point, check yourself into rehab immediately.

Re: The Do Nothing Party

I'll vote for it.

Long thought about setting up the "common sense party" and getting rid of most of Blair's toss.

I need a curry.

Never put food into a parched palete!

Sorted, where's my curry?

@Units?

Yards, obviously - You should be drinking between three and four yards of beer every day. How many Linguini are in a yard, anyway?