True That!

"Cisco may be on its way to discovering that it’s not only foolhardy to undermine the strengths of HP and IBM but very dangerous to take customers for granted and try and lock them into a high-cost, proprietary solution. IBM and HP have great relationships; offer open, low cost solutions; and have decades of experience delivering such solutions. It won't take customers very long to see through the 'Cisco's way or the highway' tactics."

Yup! that's why Cisco will never be back in our enterprise again. CCNE and CCNA cults don't typically influence server teams so thankfully it is going to be a steep uphill battle for them. Any CIO/VPIT worth their title know their budgets and how, if allowed, much Cisco will consume if IT departments drink the green cool-aid.

I don't have my coat but the Cisco rep will be grabbing theirs as we send them packing!

Call me negative

but I'm not entirely convinced that right this moment is the time to launch a version 1.0 high-on-functionality, high-on-capex product.

re: True That!

you obviously don't work in the IT industry like me. cisco maeks great network kit and will make even better blades. next to HP there is no one to stop them. who? SUN? IBM? HP sells more blades than Sun and IBM put together. uprise the Cisco Fanbois

laugh/point/laugh some more

advantage?

Thought blades were power hungry beasts that you only installed when electricity was free and your colo charged by the U?

I do have all the answers!

Why is time being wasted on this upstart "networking" company? Only My SUN can provide The True Path to Computing Happiness! What would this... - Pisco? - know about computing? After all, everyone knows the computer is the network... or was it the network is the computer? Anyway, as long as it's a SUN server it is both a computer and a network... and maybe a toaster too. And they all make great coffee, virtual coffee... because SUN made Java, the island. Or was it code? Who cares! Just buy SUN, especially our blade servers.... Or you could buy those nice ProLiant blades now I jave Blessed them with Solaris. Anyway, back to work, peons, I have a tennis match with Jake! And he better let me win again.....

You may kiss My Heinie,

Yahdah, yahdah, yahdah,

Yours Overlordingly,

Jonathan I Schwartz

(that's GOD to you!).

RE: re: True That!

Ah, the Sunshiners are at it with the fake Matt Bryant login again. Looks like they'll post anywhere in an attempt to draw attention away from their setting Sun. Talk about obsessive, but then they always say you must be bang on target if they start throwing so much flak at you. Mind you, a Sunshiner post WITHOUT them saying that only Schwartz has all the answers! There may be (tiny) hope for them yet.

My thoughts are that of all the responses, Brocade's "no comment until we see the announcement" is probably the most respectable vendor comment. The rest of the vendors' reps were doing their jobs - using the opportunity to plug their own kit whilst bashing the opposition - but it would have more of a semblance of honesty if they had waited until after the product launch.

Who will fuel Cisco Blade growth .. read fully

Those, just out of college kids with a Cisco certification does it with a huge price because they havent seen anything else. And the Governments , most of them accorss the world are one way or other corrupt .

The real IT person always evaluates all the gears and finally buys Cisco with 80% discount ((sometimes at 89% highest i heard of ) because they are cheaper than the chinese gear .

But it will be so different for the Servers . it will be HP & IBM

Currently Cisco Ships both HP & IBM servers for all their server requirments for UC. With the Growth in UC , they must have realised they could get the same gear manufacturered in a Blade format by some third world factory and make same near 90% profit .

Most probably they will give away the enclosure & the software when you buy a UC and try to Push more blades at higher costs when you want to do anything . But Cisco can fill in a whole 10 slot Blade enclosure for a Single UC Implementation . (2 UCM, 2 Unity, 5 for IPCC, 4 for Meeting Place , couple more for Network management ) . Hence HP & IBM will definitely see a decline in the factory revenues and unfortunately they are the one selling this servers to the customers . HP & IBM account for major share of UC shipped from Cisco .

HP & IBM - You do have a way out ?

Now that you got the Solaris on the Servers May be Mitel + SUN thin clients (a Real Phone built with a Thin client ) will be winning story. for all three of you .

With the Dead of Itanium HP also can join the Fujitsu SUN Alliance on the SPARC CPU , and sure SUN can even help you port the HP-UX in the SPARC (if they havent done it yet) . Atleast you save a reliable OS.

It is Vaporware.

California is a weak sister to HP's virtualconnect, among others. Their lock-out, and "all Cisco" mentality will not be a help, as every dacenter in the world is cross-platform and multi-vendor. It's a rip-and-replace technology. If you are willing to lose your job because you spent tens of thousands on a system that fails to deliver, go buy California.

Me, I'll stick with something that actually exists, and works.

Re: re: True That!

Matt, you are an arrogant ass.

This has got to be at least the 10th time that you have made, if not this remark, ones similar to it:

"you obviously don't work in the IT industry like me."

Everyone on this site probably either works in the IT industry or reports on the IT industry. Don't be such a twit.

RE: Re: re: True That!

"....This has got to be at least the 10th time that you have made, if not this remark, ones similar to it:...." Ah, but as my post shows, it was actually a remark made by you Sunshiners using a fake Matt Bryant login. So, most obviously, you are the ass or twit involved. Interesting that you guys feel so driven in your attempts to discredit anyone that doesn't toe your line that you'll post fake comments even on articles that have nothing to do with Sun. Feeling a little bit threatened, are we?

Interestingly, our CISCO rep is very tight-lipped on the new kit. Maybe it's just not ready yet, or maybe he's sulking over the Procurves we bought last year.